@every 'trusted' user who markets.

[RoomScape]

Stop using chat logs. You are literally getting people scammed and it's your fault, whether you believe it to be or not.

 

There is no security in using chat logs whatsoever and it's a really stupid idea to use them to begin with. Scammers have been using chat logs to trick the 'smart' people with high feedbacks into the newcomers/people who don't market and the people who do market and gain a lot of rep keep sending chat logs and getting people scammed. The most recent one against someone just proves that no good can come of chat logs and it can easily get people scammed.

Instead of sending chat logs, PM your Skype name, RSN and the trade details. Nothing more, nothing less. It is literally impossible (unless the person is just retarded and is helpless at that point) to get someone scammed by this method and this is what I've been doing for a few years after I started getting impostors copy my chat logs.

Honestly, people should be held accountable for their negligence in the market when it comes to trading as you're supposed to be the big shot but you can't even protect your customers from simple scams. Though I'm making this in reference to someones scam report, this goes to everyone - especially since I've made topics on this before. I've had some customers myself who backed out of the trade because they were unhappy with my PM (I pm'd my Skype, rsn and trade details) and insisted on me sending chat logs. Whether they were just people who were trying to act smart or impostors, no one knows.

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If you have an argument on why chat logs are actually useful, please let me know as I will shoot it down because it's the worst thing you can PM a user right behind 'I'm talking with you'.

PS: I would post this in suggestions but it already got shot down in the past so I'm posting this as a community reminder.

Edited May 26, 2018 by RoomScape
Removed someone's name.

[John Cena]

Just now, RoomScape said:

Stop using chat logs. You are literally getting people scammed and it's your fault, whether you believe it to be or not.

 

There is no security in using chat logs whatsoever and it's a really stupid idea to use them to begin with. Scammers have been using chat logs to trick the 'smart' people with high feedbacks into the newcomers/people who don't market and the people who do market and gain a lot of rep keep sending chat logs and getting people scammed. The most recent one against @Lrug Dord just proves that no good can come of chat logs and it can easily get people scammed.

Instead of sending chat logs, PM your Skype name, RSN and the trade details. Nothing more, nothing less. It is literally impossible (unless the person is just retarded and is helpless at that point) to get someone scammed by this method and this is what I've been doing for a few years after I started getting impostors copy my chat logs.

Honestly, people should be held accountable for their negligence in the market when it comes to trading as you're supposed to be the big shot but you can't even protect your customers from simple scams. Though I'm making this in reference to @Lrug Dord's scam report, this goes to everyone - especially since I've made topics on this before. I've had some customers myself who backed out of the trade because they were unhappy with my PM (I pm'd my Skype, rsn and trade details) and insisted on me sending chat logs. Whether they were just people who were trying to act smart or impostors, no one knows.

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If you have an argument on why chat logs are actually useful, please let me know as I will shoot it down because it's the worst thing you can PM a user right behind 'I'm talking with you'.

PS: I would post this in suggestions but it already got shot down in the past so I'm posting this as a community reminder.

I totally disagree with your statement, @Lrug Dord is not at fault for anything, he supplied a sufficient PM and nothing more or less. It was the fault of the buyer for being scammed and not him. You can talk all you want with your long words but I am 100% on @Lrug Dord side with this one. Yes it can be an added benefit by including the RSN or BTC address within the PM, but this is an "added benefit" and shouldn't be a requirement.

[RoomScape]

Just now, John Cena said:

I totally disagree with your statement, @Lrug Dord is not at fault for anything, he supplied a sufficient PM and nothing more or less. It was the fault of the buyer for being scammed and not him. You can talk all you want with your long words but I am 100% on @Lrug Dord side with this one. Yes it can be an added benefit by including the RSN or BTC address within the PM, but this is an "added benefit" and shouldn't be a requirement.

So because you decide to PM chat logs instead of a simple Skype/btc/PP address, someone should get scammed over that?

It's obviously the other guys fault as well for not verifying skypes, but like I said - There are people who are new to the market and there are people who should have experience with it and know how to combat impostors. Not PM'ing chat logs will not affect you in the slightest opposed to sending specific PM's.

[ez11]

7 minutes ago, RoomScape said:

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Instead of sending chat logs, PM your Skype name,

he also pmed the skype names

not lruddords fault that the guy who got scammed couldnt check his own skype name in a 300$ trade

[John Cena]

Just now, RoomScape said:

So because you decide to PM chat logs instead of a simple Skype/btc/PP address, someone should get scammed over that?

It's obviously the other guys fault as well for not verifying skypes, but like I said - There are people who are new to the market and there are people who should have experience with it and know how to combat impostors. Not PM'ing chat logs will not affect you in the slightest opposed to sending specific PM's.

He did a sufficient pm:

Your Skype:

My Skype:

Chat Logs:

That's the whole point of a PM, It's role of the buyer to ensure the data matches. Same happens when you're trading over 500m, you triple check the RSN matches the skype logs and you have sufficient enough screenshots to prove that. I've come across similar RSN's before and is probably a bigger problem than this one.

Either way I do partially agree that there is no harm with including more specific details like RSN, BTC address and anything on them lines, but calling him out is unfair.

What I do with 9/10 trades is document the process from start to finish, this includes all in game interactions and forum interactions. Simply screenshotting via ShareX is the easiest way to have a folder of this proof.

Edited May 25, 2018 by John Cena

[Mio]

Lrug Dord posted the logs with timestamps as well as his actual Skype name and the guys Skype name was talking to. Literally none of the info matched and the guy still traded him. It's really the buyers fault for not picking up the red flags that are really obvious.

[RoomScape]

2 minutes ago, John Cena said:

He did a sufficient pm:

Your Skype:

My Skype:

Chat Logs:

That's the whole point of a PM, It's role of the buyer to ensure the data matches. Same happens when you're trading over 500m, you triple check the RSN matches the skype logs and you have sufficient enough screenshots to prove that. I've come across similar RSN's before and is probably a bigger problem than this one.

Either way I do partially agree that there is no harm with including more specific details like RSN, BTC address and anything on them lines, but calling him out is unfair.

What I do with 9/10 trades is document the process from start to finish, this includes all in game interactions and forum interactions. Simply screenshotting via ShareX is the easiest way to have a folder of this proof.

That's a totally different issue with similar RSN's that you just have no control over, though you do have control over not PM'ing chat logs.

Yes, it's the guys fault for not double checking the PM, but again...these are new people who don't market much and it really does look similar so he went with it. I was on both sides of what just happened so I know exactly what happened and what goes on which is why I'm saying to not PM chat logs as it gives no benefit in the transaction whatsoever.

5 minutes ago, ez11 said:

he also pmed the skype names

not lruddords fault that the guy who got scammed couldnt check his own skype name in a 300$ trade

I do realize that.

 

3 minutes ago, Mio said:

Lrug Dord posted the logs with timestamps as well as his actual Skype name and the guys Skype name was talking to. Literally none of the info matched and the guy still traded him. It's really the buyers fault for not picking up the red flags that are really obvious.

I think you guys are taking this out of context and away from what I mentioned in the OP.

I'm not bashing @Lrug Dord, I'm saying that we need to stop sending chat logs as there is zero benefit in sending chat logs. What happened happened and the user got scammed, but instead of arguing about whose fault it was and whether I'm blaming someone or not, let's talk about how this can be prevented in the future.

[TWC]

Im more concerned about the DISCORD NITRO scam atm

[Guest]

For me at least, my confirmation PM's look like this -

If the user was to then trade someone who isn't listed under my Skype, that's not my problem. I don't need to give out my Runescape delivery name or anything else via a PM. 

People don't check the contact details more times out of 10 and that's why they get scammed, they become extremely lazy and decide to go ahead with it and still blame those who are being impersonated to begin with. A little common sense would go a long way. 

Then again, this applies to all my confirmation PM's, I make sure my details pretty much list at least my Skype ID etc because they can easily check it if they feel they need to that way, and of course if it's an impostor they can block them upon their own choice. 

[Chris]

6 minutes ago, Mio said:

Lrug Dord posted the logs with timestamps as well as his actual Skype name and the guys Skype name was talking to. Literally none of the info matched and the guy still traded him. It's really the buyers fault for not picking up the red flags that are really obvious.

Doesnt fit his agenda. Rėeeeeeeeeeeee

[D Bolter]

Why don't y'all dumb asses just include your paypal/rsn in the pm so that the customer knows exactly who's paypal to send to or which rsn to trade. This way if the customer sends to another pp/rsn then it's 1000x their fault because you explicitly included your pp/rsn.

/thread

Edited May 25, 2018 by D Bolter

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, RoomScape said:

 

I'm not bashing @Lrug Dord, I'm saying that we need to stop sending chat logs as there is zero benefit in sending chat logs. What happened happened and the user got scammed, but instead of arguing about whose fault it was and whether I'm blaming someone or not, let's talk about how this can be prevented in the future.

What you need to remember is it cannot be prevented as all major traders have impostors.

I have counted at least 10-20 impostors pretending to be me with similar names to me (their Skype names not ID's) and such. If the person is new to the market then fair play I understand them rushing into something that sounds too good to be true, but at the same time we're only able to cover ourselves how we know which includes chat logs for confirmation. The problem you're facing is you don't want to understand that this simple trade tactic has happened and continues to happen regardless of your opinion or not.

If impostors didn't try to scam people, this problem wouldn't happen at all. Maybe you should be pointing fingers at the scum bags who try to pull it off.

3 minutes ago, D Bolter said:

Why don't y'all dumb asses just include your paypal/rsn in the pm so that the customer knows exactly who's paypal to send to or which rsn to trade. This way if the customer sends to another pp/rsn then it's 1000x their fault because you explicitly included your pp/rsn.

/thread

I just answered that above.

[Darren]

Scammers are scammers, imposters are imposters. You can make prevention's all you want but they will still find a way to tackle the system.

If someone is that negligent in a trade worth over $300, then it's a lesson and loss that they pretty much should have seen coming.

GG, No re

[THS]

Chalk it up to darwanism.

[RoomScape]

1 hour ago, TWC said:

Im more concerned about the DISCORD NITRO scam atm

What's that have to do with this?

1 hour ago, Dbuffed said:

For me at least, my confirmation PM's look like this -

If the user was to then trade someone who isn't listed under my Skype, that's not my problem. I don't need to give out my Runescape delivery name or anything else via a PM. 

People don't check the contact details more times out of 10 and that's why they get scammed, they become extremely lazy and decide to go ahead with it and still blame those who are being impersonated to begin with. A little common sense would go a long way. 

Then again, this applies to all my confirmation PM's, I make sure my details pretty much list at least my Skype ID etc because they can easily check it if they feel they need to that way, and of course if it's an impostor they can block them upon their own choice. 

But what's the point in including Skype logs?

 

1 hour ago, D Bolter said:

Why don't y'all dumb asses just include your paypal/rsn in the pm so that the customer knows exactly who's paypal to send to or which rsn to trade. This way if the customer sends to another pp/rsn then it's 1000x their fault because you explicitly included your pp/rsn.

/thread

48 minutes ago, Darren said:

Scammers are scammers, imposters are imposters. You can make prevention's all you want but they will still find a way to tackle the system.

If someone is that negligent in a trade worth over $300, then it's a lesson and loss that they pretty much should have seen coming.

GG, No re

Right, and since you're the experienced market trader, why not throw in an extra three words to further help prevent someone get scammed by an impostor?

1 hour ago, Dbuffed said:

What you need to remember is it cannot be prevented as all major traders have impostors.

I have counted at least 10-20 impostors pretending to be me with similar names to me (their Skype names not ID's) and such. If the person is new to the market then fair play I understand them rushing into something that sounds too good to be true, but at the same time we're only able to cover ourselves how we know which includes chat logs for confirmation. The problem you're facing is you don't want to understand that this simple trade tactic has happened and continues to happen regardless of your opinion or not.

If impostors didn't try to scam people, this problem wouldn't happen at all. Maybe you should be pointing fingers at the scum bags who try to pull it off.

I just answered that above.

I realize that - I just had an impostor do the exact same thing that happened here a few days ago to me with someone giving me 500m. I was able to prevent that scam, though. See the difference?

You're saying that the only way you know how to cover your self is via chat logs when I literally just said in the OP how to cover yourself and your customer. I think people are more concerned about covering them self that they forget to try to also cover their customer. 

I understand this happens as there will always be scammers and impostors, but our job should evolve into helping to prevent the new users from getting scammed as they don't know better. I don't get why this is a hard concept to understand.

 

You literally PM them your trade info. Why is that such a hard thing to do? Do you guys care more about yourself and talking about it or what? Why not add this extra layer of security in your PM's to help your customer out since they're the ones who pay you and they have so many other choices? This isn't a matter of pride and I'm not trying to make this a fight over who has the better idea. Just do whatever you can to help your customer stay safe. Apparently, through multiple scams on numerous sites, people get scammed via chat logs because they're not used to trading and they look at the chat logs since that is what TRUSTED people told them to do in the past. The chat logs look ok - they're new so they obviously won't/can't read it word for word, second for second - and so they go with the trade.

Technically, it's not your fault if they get scammed. I understand that. We all know that these guys are really stupid and they don't know any better, especially since they keep getting scammed the same way over and over. Every scam report - unless people scam quit - is one of three methods that people keep falling for. This can all be prevented if you guys add a little bit of effort in your PM's. That's all I'm saying. Is that too much to ask for - an extra twenty seconds in your PM's?