childrenfirst Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 criminals ruin the fun for everyone who doesnt want to rob people or shoot up schools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBron Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 29 minutes ago, RoomScape said: But people have guns and not tanks so why bring tanks into this? That's not a great comparison. No, the constitution was not made by politicians or corporate America. There are a number of other examples as well. They aren't. Banning guns will affect the law abiding citizens more. There will be criminals who don't even own guns legally - mostly - and will not be affected by the gun ban and then there will be people who will not give up their guns without dying first so that'll be a different issue. No, that one was made by the founding fathers, I'm not American but I'm pretty sure George Washington was one of those and he was a polititan (among other things). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProjectPact Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Guns don't kill people. Dumbass people do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliot Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Hi, American here. I've lived in five different states and I have never seen a firearm in public aside from those being carried by police or military personnel. Foreigners have misinformed views of American gun culture due to sensationalization of gun violence in American and international media. I believe there are steps that can be taken to reduce the occurrence of mass shooting incidences by making changes to both law and culture. I don't think it makes sense to take a polarizing view of the issue. Joining the "change nothing" camp or the "ban guns" camp does little to help reduce the rate of violent crimes. There are more guns in America than people, hopefully we will become better at keeping them in the hands of good people and out of the hands of bad people, but that's a problem that lacks a perfect solution. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackthedon Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 If the stance on guns somewhat is that "criminals will get their hands on them whether they're illegal or not, therefore let it be legal." and "A good guy with a gun will stop a bad guy with a gun." etc Then why are drugs illegal. They're going to get their hands on them anyway Maybe a good guy on meth will stop a bad guy on meth. What's the worst that could happen, the good guy isn't going to do anything bad, he's a good guy. This is semi troll in the way I've presented it but it's actually a somewhat valid point at it's core. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bolter Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 1 hour ago, RoomScape said: But people have guns and not tanks so why bring tanks into this? That's not a great comparison. my point is you can't fight fire with fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billyrex1999 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 39 minutes ago, ProjectPact said: Guns don't kill people. Dumbass people do. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overboardsea123s Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Jackthedon said: If the stance on guns somewhat is that "criminals will get their hands on them whether they're illegal or not, therefore let it be legal." and "A good guy with a gun will stop a bad guy with a gun." etc Then why are drugs illegal. They're going to get their hands on them anyway Maybe a good guy on meth will stop a bad guy on meth. What's the worst that could happen, the good guy isn't going to do anything bad, he's a good guy. This is semi troll in the way I've presented it but it's actually a somewhat valid point at it's core. So making the examples a methhead changes everything nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoomScape Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 57 minutes ago, D Bolter said: my point is you can't fight fire with fire. 1v1 me. I’m trying to take your bank and I have a gun while you have your hands. Hold me off until police arrive. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoomScape Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 2 hours ago, LeBron said: No, that one was made by the founding fathers, I'm not American but I'm pretty sure George Washington was one of those and he was a polititan (among other things). I can tell that you’re not American by your replies. The consitution wasn’t made by politicians. I don’t know how else to tell you this. You’re not American and don’t know of American history yet you’re telling me about American history? I don’t get it. 1 hour ago, ProjectPact said: Guns don't kill people. Dumbass people do. They’ll also do it regardless of whether they have a gun or not. 1 hour ago, Eliot said: Hi, American here. I've lived in five different states and I have never seen a firearm in public aside from those being carried by police or military personnel. Foreigners have misinformed views of American gun culture due to sensationalization of gun violence in American and international media. I believe there are steps that can be taken to reduce the occurrence of mass shooting incidences by making changes to both law and culture. I don't think it makes sense to take a polarizing view of the issue. Joining the "change nothing" camp or the "ban guns" camp does little to help reduce the rate of violent crimes. There are more guns in America than people, hopefully we will become better at keeping them in the hands of good people and out of the hands of bad people, but that's a problem that lacks a perfect solution. Same here. I’ve been to eight states and lived in five. Never seen a gun in public nor have I seen anything like what is showed on the news. It’s just the media hyping things up and foreigners exaggerating things. Not saying stuff doesn’t happen but I think it’s just blown out of proportion. 1 hour ago, Jackthedon said: If the stance on guns somewhat is that "criminals will get their hands on them whether they're illegal or not, therefore let it be legal." and "A good guy with a gun will stop a bad guy with a gun." etc Then why are drugs illegal. They're going to get their hands on them anyway Maybe a good guy on meth will stop a bad guy on meth. What's the worst that could happen, the good guy isn't going to do anything bad, he's a good guy. This is semi troll in the way I've presented it but it's actually a somewhat valid point at it's core. No good can co,e from drugs. Drugs affect ones mental state and can only worsen ones health. Guns, on the other hand, are completely different. Your reasoning doesn’t make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bolter Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, RoomScape said: 1v1 me. I’m trying to take your bank and I have a gun while you have your hands. Hold me off until police arrive. Good luck. Not everyone has a gun so even though people are allowed to carry guns to protect themselves, not everyone does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overboardsea123s Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 3 hours ago, RoomScape said: But people have guns and not tanks so why bring tanks into this? That's not a great comparison. No, the constitution was not made by politicians or corporate America. There are a number of other examples as well. They aren't. Banning guns will affect the law abiding citizens more. There will be criminals who don't even own guns legally - mostly - and will not be affected by the gun ban and then there will be people who will not give up their guns without dying first so that'll be a different issue. Was rhetorical to point of what you just said but yea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoomScape Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 23 minutes ago, D Bolter said: Not everyone has a gun so even though people are allowed to carry guns to protect themselves, not everyone does. Right but that’s their choice. At least let people have a choice. Don’t strip them of a choice then tell them it’s for their benefit. The people that choose not to have a gun or any weapon is completely because of their choice so they can’t complain should anything happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoomScape Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 1 minute ago, overboardsea123s said: Was rhetorical to point of what you just said but yea Legal guns can be tracked. Any halfway competent criminal won’t buy/own a legal gun as if anything happens it can be tracked back to them. If you have a stolen/illegal one with the serial scratched off and something happens it can’t be tracked back to you should you drop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overboardsea123s Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, RoomScape said: Legal guns can be tracked. Any halfway competent criminal won’t buy/own a legal gun as if anything happens it can be tracked back to them. If you have a stolen/illegal one with the serial scratched off and something happens it can’t be tracked back to you should you drop it. What are you arguing? I literally just told you it was rhetorical; basically summarizing what you said into a question. Im not saying anything against what you replied .-. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
