So... about rules pertaining to MM.

[Tesla]

2 minutes ago, Antonio Kala said:

Do middle man get a percentage cut or an amount for every MM service? 

I'm pretty sure they are all free 

[Antonio Kala]

Just now, Tesla said:

I'm pretty sure they are all free 

So why is roomscape angry that they are getting a lot of feedback?

[Alvin]

22 minutes ago, Antonio Kala said:

So why is roomscape angry that they are getting a lot of feedback?

"Secondly, it's against the rules for a MM to leave FB after a trade stating that they were the MM for the trade"
 

He's complaining middlemen leave feedback for the traders, not the other way around

[RoomScape]

35 minutes ago, Antonio Kala said:

Do middle man get a percentage cut or an amount for every MM service? 

Depends on whatever the MM charges. Different ones charge different amounts while others are completely free. 

30 minutes ago, Antonio Kala said:

So why is roomscape angry that they are getting a lot of feedback?

I'm not angry. I don't know why you would think i'm angry either, but that's your opinion to have. 

Also, it's against the rules. Doesn't matter if i'm angry or not. That's FB fraud. 

Edited April 16, 2017 by RoomScape

[ez11]

I can MM if u wanna trade something btw

idc what i just wanna farm feedback so i can scamquit later lul

 

 

 

Seriously though: Its stupid that its allowed for people to spam every topic on the market (and even just in pricechecks) advertising their free MM service so they can farm 2 feedback for every trade even though most of them are <20m. It really devalues feedback in general when someone can easily farm 2 feedback per trade for holding 10m payments.

MMs should not get 2 FB per trade and only get feedback if they hold atleast 50m and the feedback should say how much the trade was.

We have had way too many service guys / free MM farm feedback for low trades and then scamquit once they had "high" feedback and postcount and got their first big trades.

 

edit: free services dont get feedback so why do free MM services get 2 feedback? makes no sense 

Edited April 16, 2017 by ez11

[RoomScape]

35 minutes ago, ez11 said:

I can MM if u wanna trade something btw

idc what i just wanna farm feedback so i can scamquit later lul

 

 

 

Seriously though: Its stupid that its allowed for people to spam every topic on the market (and even just in pricechecks) advertising their free MM service so they can farm 2 feedback for every trade even though most of them are <20m. It really devalues feedback in general when someone can easily farm 2 feedback per trade for holding 10m payments.

MMs should not get 2 FB per trade and only get feedback if they hold atleast 50m and the feedback should say how much the trade was.

We have had way too many service guys / free MM farm feedback for low trades and then scamquit once they had "high" feedback and postcount and got their first big trades.

 

edit: free services dont get feedback so why do free MM services get 2 feedback? makes no sense 

Free services normally don't hold so,etching of values. 

But if you're saying there should be stricter requirements to become a MM then i'm all for it. I do believe MM is supposed to be trusted and therefore need to have strict rules and guidelines, even more so than services and gold sellers. 

[ez11]

16 minutes ago, RoomScape said:

Free services normally don't hold so,etching of values. 

 

pretty sure 95% of the MM on this forums are free MM just holding stuff for feedback

 

but there is no way of actually knowing when people dont have to write how much value the MM actually kept for them. Just look at zerkers FB for example: 70% of his feedback are "MM'd for me thx :))" and most of the rest is him selling gold which usually has next to no risk for the guy buying the gp. So out of his nearly 200 feedback there are maybe 20 or so of him actually doing services or giving details of him holding "big" amounts of gp.

FB farming like that is pretty much the reason why we have 1 or 2 scamquitters every month that get away with bigger scams because they looked "legit"

[Knuckolls]

19 hours ago, RoomScape said:

I've been seeing this more so recently than before and it's honestly annoying. Anyone posts a thread and everyone replies saying that they can MM. It's getting a bit ridiculous. I'm pretty sure there was a rule against MM advertising in the past. If not, then it was on another forum that desperately needs to be applied to here. More people reply to a given thread requesting to MM than actual buyers/sellers. 

 

Secondly, it's against the rules for a MM to leave FB after a trade stating that they were the MM for the trade. Other sites allow this but Osbot doesn't and I can understand the reasoning behind it so i'm ok with it. However, there are a couple of MMs that either don't know about this rule or don't care and leave FB regardless. This needs to be addressed as it's currently considered FB farming. 

 

Lastly, I find it pretty crazy that there are stricter requirements to get a verified service or verified transactor than it is to get a verified middleman rank. This needs to be changed as a MM should be one of the most trusted users on the site. You need to know that your MM has proven himself to be knowledgeable and trustworthy. It's sad that it's the easiest of the three ranks to get. 

 

I think all of the above are fair and need to be addressed. The MMs who left FB should be deleted as that's FB that should not have been left to begin with. Any MM who is that ignorant of the rules should be reevaluated also. 

 

Just my two cents. 

I agree with all the above, some people are just leeches 

[RoomScape]

4 hours ago, ez11 said:

pretty sure 95% of the MM on this forums are free MM just holding stuff for feedback

 

but there is no way of actually knowing when people dont have to write how much value the MM actually kept for them. Just look at zerkers FB for example: 70% of his feedback are "MM'd for me thx :))" and most of the rest is him selling gold which usually has next to no risk for the guy buying the gp. So out of his nearly 200 feedback there are maybe 20 or so of him actually doing services or giving details of him holding "big" amounts of gp.

FB farming like that is pretty much the reason why we have 1 or 2 scamquitters every month that get away with bigger scams because they looked "legit"

The community actually creates scamquitters, whether you want to accept it or not. 

I do get your point, though. What do you think we should do about that? That's a FB rule in general and not specifically pertaining to MM except for if you want to change how they're eligible to receive FB. 

[ez11]

33 minutes ago, RoomScape said:

The community actually creates scamquitters, whether you want to accept it or not. 

I do get your point, though. What do you think we should do about that? That's a FB rule in general and not specifically pertaining to MM except for if you want to change how they're eligible to receive FB. 

My suggestions would be: not allowing to give feedback for free MMing, having to say how much value the MM had access to and/or seperating MM feedback (if that is even possible. It would probably be the best to have seperate FB for buying/selling gold/accs,MM, Services +Others)

[RoomScape]

4 minutes ago, ez11 said:

My suggestions would be: not allowing to give feedback for free MMing, having to say how much value the MM had access to and/or seperating MM feedback (if that is even possible. It would probably be the best to have seperate FB for buying/selling gold/accs,MM, Services +Others)

Edited the OP with a few things.

[gearing]

19 hours ago, RoomScape said:

Because they don't know what a middleman is, right? I'm sure the majority of people on this forum doesn't know what a MM is as it's a foreign concept that's new to these forums.

fucking sjw

[RoomScape]

1 minute ago, gearing said:

fucking sjw

SJW?

[Juggles]

14 minutes ago, ez11 said:

My suggestions would be: not allowing to give feedback for free MMing, having to say how much value the MM had access to and/or seperating MM feedback (if that is even possible. It would probably be the best to have seperate FB for buying/selling gold/accs,MM, Services +Others)

There's no point to MM for free if you can't gain FB  

And 90% of the trades I've MM have Been like 50m+ so idk where you guys get these lower MM trades. Most people who seek a MM are for higher risk trades  

MM for free is to get Fb And eventually get the verified MM rank as well as making trades more secure for the community. I personally think more people should be using MM to prevent scams but a lot of people don't realize what a MM is so advertising it on threads helps that. 

 

Edited April 16, 2017 by Juggles

[gearing]

3 minutes ago, Juggles said:

There's no point to MM for free if you can't gain FB  

And 90% of the trades I've MM have Been like 50m+ so idk where you guys get these lower MM trades. Most people who seek a MM are for higher risk trades  

MM for free is to get Fb And eventually get the verified MM rank as well as making trades more secure for the community. I personally think more people should be using MM to prevent scams but a lot of people don't realize what a MM is so advertising it on threads helps that. 

 

not that i care but the guy you were quoting was right: there should be no fb given for mming unless it is paid

Edited April 16, 2017 by gearing