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-Disputed Member: @LeBerry -Why it should be removed: I don't know who this guy is. -Details: I don't know who this guy is. -Link to topic: No topic since I don't know who this guy is.

1) Grow up. 2) You just said you're mad. 3) I know no one does what I'm claiming...which is exactly why I made my thread, wtf. If people were already doing what I posted about there would be no need in this thread... 4)I don't care about how you do your business. You do you. 5) That's like saying why do you PM your Skype if it's already in your profile and in your post? Your Skype ID is listed in your profile, every market thread, signature, etc. Why do you still PM people your Skype ID if it's listed in so many places?

I have 200 points.

You sound pretty mad for some reason. And again, people are always bring up that I talked drug lord in this thread. I wonder if I edit him out of this thread if they'll still talk about it or if we can actually talk about what this thread is meant for? Not sure why everyone has the need to bring him up. I used him as a reference because I read the scam report and it reminded me of a thread I made a few years ago. Then, no one said anything about someone because I didn't tag anyone in it. But now, since I tagged someone, that seems to be the big issue. It's funny how drug lord didn't say a single thing but yet everyone else seems to be crying about it more than he is. I will edit his name out of the OP. Hopefully you guys won't bring him up again and we can actually talk about what I'm saying. Regarding 'me pushing my own agenda', I'm suggesting something that isn't harmful whatsoever to the seller and is nothing but beneficial to the buyer. I don't see how implementing this in your own trades can sever your market experience in the slightest. Instead of even considering it, you are fighting it like a plague for some strange reason. I'm not suggesting you give everyone free gp, you make a new Skype, you make a new RSN, you do anything special. I simply suggested that you refrain from posting chat logs and instead post the info that the buyer needs to send the money. Can you please explain to me how that is harmful whatsoever and why it's such a big issue for you guys to even consider?

I perfectly understand that part as I do have a slight bit of common sense and am perfectly literate. It seems that people cannot understand my point which I have mentioned and made a number of times in this thread yet the only real thing people seem to mention is that same thing over and over.

Exactly my point. You protect your self but won’t put any extra effort to protect your customer, yet you can’t seem to understand that part for whatever reason.

Do you not know how manpassword saving apps/sites there are? Also, if you use Apple it can save it by default without any app and when logging in, it will give you a list of saved usernames. You click on a name and it auto fills the password.

LOLOLOL Yes but that requires some actual work. Making accounts is pretty easy

Detective @D Bolter here with the real questions. Why do you need chat logs to show different information when it was already discussed, hence why it's in the chat logs, and when you can just PM it? I'm used to it to be honest.

People keep saying that I'm blaming him and this is such a waste of time and PC to even say. I'm only mentioning him because this dude has like 75 FB and a donor rank and I'm thinking he can try to help prevent this stuff. It's obviously not his fault otherwise he would have had to pay that money back but the fact is that if he put a few extra words in it may have helped change the outcome. You guys are crying over me 'blaming' @Lrug Dord. Stop crying about this pointless stuff and worry about the actual point that I'm making. Why does everyone have to go towards me tagging him but not towards the entire point of this thread? I don't know @Lrug Dord and don't think I ever spoke with him so I don't know how he normally trades and that's none of my business what he does but I'm saying that everyone needs to stop sending chat logs. Can we actually talk about what this topic meant for and stop crying because I tagged some guy in my OP? The amount of people crying over him being in here is ridiculous.

Bro the struggle man. So real.

I’ve never done it before but I wouldn’t mind doin it if that isn’t an issue to you.

What's that have to do with this? But what's the point in including Skype logs? ? Right, and since you're the experienced market trader, why not throw in an extra three words to further help prevent someone get scammed by an impostor? I realize that - I just had an impostor do the exact same thing that happened here a few days ago to me with someone giving me 500m. I was able to prevent that scam, though. See the difference? You're saying that the only way you know how to cover your self is via chat logs when I literally just said in the OP how to cover yourself and your customer. I think people are more concerned about covering them self that they forget to try to also cover their customer. I understand this happens as there will always be scammers and impostors, but our job should evolve into helping to prevent the new users from getting scammed as they don't know better. I don't get why this is a hard concept to understand. You literally PM them your trade info. Why is that such a hard thing to do? Do you guys care more about yourself and talking about it or what? Why not add this extra layer of security in your PM's to help your customer out since they're the ones who pay you and they have so many other choices? This isn't a matter of pride and I'm not trying to make this a fight over who has the better idea. Just do whatever you can to help your customer stay safe. Apparently, through multiple scams on numerous sites, people get scammed via chat logs because they're not used to trading and they look at the chat logs since that is what TRUSTED people told them to do in the past. The chat logs look ok - they're new so they obviously won't/can't read it word for word, second for second - and so they go with the trade. Technically, it's not your fault if they get scammed. I understand that. We all know that these guys are really stupid and they don't know any better, especially since they keep getting scammed the same way over and over. Every scam report - unless people scam quit - is one of three methods that people keep falling for. This can all be prevented if you guys add a little bit of effort in your PM's. That's all I'm saying. Is that too much to ask for - an extra twenty seconds in your PM's?

If you're talking to me then I never got a message/friend request on Skype. Click on the Skype button in my signature to add me or manually - live:roomscape

That's a totally different issue with similar RSN's that you just have no control over, though you do have control over not PM'ing chat logs. Yes, it's the guys fault for not double checking the PM, but again...these are new people who don't market much and it really does look similar so he went with it. I was on both sides of what just happened so I know exactly what happened and what goes on which is why I'm saying to not PM chat logs as it gives no benefit in the transaction whatsoever. I do realize that. I think you guys are taking this out of context and away from what I mentioned in the OP. I'm not bashing @Lrug Dord, I'm saying that we need to stop sending chat logs as there is zero benefit in sending chat logs. What happened happened and the user got scammed, but instead of arguing about whose fault it was and whether I'm blaming someone or not, let's talk about how this can be prevented in the future.

LOL That's actually pretty funny. xD Ooooh so wait he made that post because his accounts got banned? Ok so that makes more sense. Thought he was coming clean. The guy was just panicking as he knew his accounts were about to get banned.

So because you decide to PM chat logs instead of a simple Skype/btc/PP address, someone should get scammed over that? It's obviously the other guys fault as well for not verifying skypes, but like I said - There are people who are new to the market and there are people who should have experience with it and know how to combat impostors. Not PM'ing chat logs will not affect you in the slightest opposed to sending specific PM's.

This guy came clean and still got the ban hammer. @Mio is ruthless. xD

Stop using chat logs. You are literally getting people scammed and it's your fault, whether you believe it to be or not. There is no security in using chat logs whatsoever and it's a really stupid idea to use them to begin with. Scammers have been using chat logs to trick the 'smart' people with high feedbacks into the newcomers/people who don't market and the people who do market and gain a lot of rep keep sending chat logs and getting people scammed. The most recent one against someone just proves that no good can come of chat logs and it can easily get people scammed. Instead of sending chat logs, PM your Skype name, RSN and the trade details. Nothing more, nothing less. It is literally impossible (unless the person is just retarded and is helpless at that point) to get someone scammed by this method and this is what I've been doing for a few years after I started getting impostors copy my chat logs. Honestly, people should be held accountable for their negligence in the market when it comes to trading as you're supposed to be the big shot but you can't even protect your customers from simple scams. Though I'm making this in reference to someones scam report, this goes to everyone - especially since I've made topics on this before. I've had some customers myself who backed out of the trade because they were unhappy with my PM (I pm'd my Skype, rsn and trade details) and insisted on me sending chat logs. Whether they were just people who were trying to act smart or impostors, no one knows. ----- If you have an argument on why chat logs are actually useful, please let me know as I will shoot it down because it's the worst thing you can PM a user right behind 'I'm talking with you'. PS: I would post this in suggestions but it already got shot down in the past so I'm posting this as a community reminder.

Hello. Trusted MM here. Whether you meant Monkey Madness or Middle Man, I can help with both.

Might be a good idea to post your budget.

It’s not that they shouldn’t be given a chance since they’re given a chance with the appeals section, but what’s the point in an empty rank? They still have full access to everything when they were a scammer who refunded to get unbanned or broke some market rules making them look like a threat. If they’re a threat to the market and are given the rank, why are no restrictions put in place for this market threat?

Exactly. I’m saying since it’s a fact that they’re deemed a threat then no market access should be allowed.