Wife Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 No, just no. People get banned for breaking rules. That's the way it has always been. You must be very stupid if you need someone to explain that for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappster Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 No, just no. People get banned for breaking rules. That's the way it has always been. You must be very stupid if you need someone to explain that for you. We want the reason for which they was banned. By the look of your profile you do no trades so this shouldn't concern you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackshow Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 My suggestion is to show all the banned users + the reason that warranted that ban (may it be perm or temp) If there's no plugin availble, maybe you could do a monthly topic showing who was banned and for what reason (link to dispute if required) This is just for book keeping reasons. I've bought and sold a few things to now banned users, some of which I can't get a reason to why they were banned (and at risk of accounts/payments getting recovered). I'd kinda like my paranoia to be put to rest by knowing what they was banned for. Also maybe it'll be a good way for the community to see what people are getting banned for the most, and show us how we can, as one, make this place better for all of us. And now for a more controversial suggestion: Included in the above suggestion, any convicted scammer's original registered Email address is posted publicly. If there's no worry about irl repercussions, people will scam. People will still scam by creating fake emails sure, but it'll maybe make people think twice before doing it. Especially if you keep logged the original email they used to sign up with (easy to do guys cmon just another db field and a modification to the sign up page) I know these are very tricky suggestions to agree on so I'm open to criticism + suggestions. If we do it (the most active osrs site) maybe the other sites will follow suit aswell. Yes, I definitely agree. Personally I think that they should create a new usergroup for banned accounts, rather than using the ban option for accounts. I dislike that I can't view users profiles and see their feedback. The banned usergroup should be restricted from being able to post on the forums - not including an appeals section. This would also be (in my opinion) much neater for ban appeals. Rather than creating a new account to submit an appeal. Anyone could just go ahead and submit a ban appeal for a users account that isn't theirs as it stands. It's been awhile since I've used IPBs acp, but if I remember correctly you can revoke privacy permissions on usergroups. If a new group was created, displaying an email publicly would be easy. On another note (These are just my morals) I think that users who do scam and are proven for it, should not be respected by the community or defended by staff members. To be more straight forward with what I want to get at here: I think that if somebody scam quits, we should be allowed to dox and harass that person without any consequences. I understand that this can't be encouraged. But I feel as if there should be no punishments for doing things like this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rxd Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Yes, I definitely agree. Personally I think that they should create a new usergroup for banned accounts, rather than using the ban option for accounts. I dislike that I can't view users profiles and see their feedback. The banned usergroup should be restricted from being able to post on the forums - not including an appeals section. This would also be (in my opinion) much neater for ban appeals. Rather than creating a new account to submit an appeal. Anyone could just go ahead and submit a ban appeal for a users account that isn't theirs as it stands. It's been awhile since I've used IPBs acp, but if I remember correctly you can revoke privacy permissions on usergroups. If a new group was created, displaying an email publicly would be easy. On another note (These are just my morals) I think that users who do scam and are proven for it, should not be respected by the community or defended by staff members. To be more straight forward with what I want to get at here: I think that if somebody scam quits, we should be allowed to dox and harass that person without any consequences. I understand that this can't be encouraged. But I feel as if there should be no punishments for doing things like this. Support except for "we should be allowed to dox and harass that person without any consequences." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decode Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Yes, I definitely agree. Personally I think that they should create a new usergroup for banned accounts, rather than using the ban option for accounts. I dislike that I can't view users profiles and see their feedback. The banned usergroup should be restricted from being able to post on the forums - not including an appeals section. This would also be (in my opinion) much neater for ban appeals. Rather than creating a new account to submit an appeal. Anyone could just go ahead and submit a ban appeal for a users account that isn't theirs as it stands. It's been awhile since I've used IPBs acp, but if I remember correctly you can revoke privacy permissions on usergroups. If a new group was created, displaying an email publicly would be easy. On another note (These are just my morals) I think that users who do scam and are proven for it, should not be respected by the community or defended by staff members. To be more straight forward with what I want to get at here: I think that if somebody scam quits, we should be allowed to dox and harass that person without any consequences. I understand that this can't be encouraged. But I feel as if there should be no punishments for doing things like this. You'd be no better than the scammer if you doxed/harassed him though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TzTok Jad Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Yes, I definitely agree. Personally I think that they should create a new usergroup for banned accounts, rather than using the ban option for accounts. I dislike that I can't view users profiles and see their feedback. The banned usergroup should be restricted from being able to post on the forums - not including an appeals section. This would also be (in my opinion) much neater for ban appeals. Rather than creating a new account to submit an appeal. Anyone could just go ahead and submit a ban appeal for a users account that isn't theirs as it stands. It's been awhile since I've used IPBs acp, but if I remember correctly you can revoke privacy permissions on usergroups. If a new group was created, displaying an email publicly would be easy. On another note (These are just my morals) I think that users who do scam and are proven for it, should not be respected by the community or defended by staff members. To be more straight forward with what I want to get at here: I think that if somebody scam quits, we should be allowed to dox and harass that person without any consequences. I understand that this can't be encouraged. But I feel as if there should be no punishments for doing things like this. Would be funny to have osbot light up someones social media after they've scam quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackshow Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Support except for "we should be allowed to dox and harass that person without any consequences." Why not? I said if they've been proven to scam. I'd say it's more like an actual punishment for their crime In real life if you get caught stealing, you're punished. On here, you're banned. You can just create a new account and re-scam. If someone fucks with your real life, you'll be weary of scamming - no? I also said it shouldn't be encouraged; just not punished. You'd be no better than the scammer if you doxed/harassed him though. Awfully incorrect. It'd be like an actual punishment from my eyes. Would be funny to have osbot light up someones social media after they've scam quit. Yessir. Would be great to collaborate as a group lul 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decode Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Why not? I said if they've been proven to scam. I'd say it's more like an actual punishment for their crime In real life if you get caught stealing, you're punished. On here, you're banned. You can just create a new account and re-scam. If someone fucks with your real life, you'll be weary of scamming - no? I also said it shouldn't be encouraged; just not punished. Awfully incorrect. It'd be like an actual punishment from my eyes. Yessir. Would be great to collaborate as a group lul Not saying i disagree with you. I actually agree. However, me agreeing doesn't mean its acceptable by any means. What i was saying though is thats just the way it is. If you dox/harass a proven scammer, you'll be treated just as badly as they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackshow Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 To add on to the benefits of using a usergroup for bans, you can leave feedback after they're banned in case they've scammed you as well after being banned. I understand that currently you dispute them, but surely that's more work for mods handling an appeal than if there was feedback left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappster Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) You'd be no better than the scammer if you doxed/harassed him though. A dox is a punishment. If you ban me for punishing the person that scammed me, then you're are no better than the scammer. You're his accomplice in my eyes. I know that's a pretty far stretch. And the rules right now on OSBot tell me it's bad to do that. But there's litterly no punishment for scammers right now Edited November 25, 2016 by Zappster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decode Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 To add on to the benefits of using a usergroup for bans, you can leave feedback after they're banned in case they've scammed you as well after being banned. I understand that currently you dispute them, but surely that's more work for mods handling an appeal than if there was feedback left. That would open up the door for possible framing. Your usergroup idea though is a good one and i like that. A dox is a punishment. If you ban me for punishing the person that scammed me, then you're are no better than the scammer. You're his accomplice in my eyes Going by the "Moral standards" of society these days, it isn't acceptable. Like i said though, i do agree with what jackshow said. But there is no way that it will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TzTok Jad Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 just ban scammers before they scam/s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decode Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 just ban scammers before they scam /s Good idea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Maldesto Posted November 25, 2016 Administrator Share Posted November 25, 2016 If they are banned don't trade them, this just seems like a waste of time and public bashing people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappster Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 If they are banned don't trade them, this just seems like a waste of time and public bashing people. Well if that's where you stand then you may aswell lock this thread. Plenty of people have pledged support and I'm all out of arguments for now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
