Realist Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I have yet to hear a true argument from your side. All you do is attack me personally, just leave this discussion if you have nothing truly interesting to say on its topic. Me, @Joe have been making valid points for pages and pages, you keep coming up with the same defensive responses because you want a few extra cents desperately. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepecher Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Me, @Joe have been making valid points for pages and pages, you keep coming up with the same defensive responses because you want a few extra cents desperately. Dude get over it, Osbot 2 is going to happen no matter how much you argue with us... You lose some money we lose alot of time everyone needs to tip in a little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apaec Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Me, @Joe have been making valid points for pages and pages, you keep coming up with the same defensive responses because you want a few extra cents desperately. If we want a few extra cents, there would be no free scripts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theodore Bagwell Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) Do you people not realize that OSB2 NEEDS to happen? After scripting with it for a couple days now I really see the benefit it is going to have towards botting in general. The mouse movements are more human like and overall it seems to be pretty undetectable. Also, in case anyone is not aware, the only reason they started development on a brand new bot in the first place was because the original was poorly constructed. It is in all of our best interests that they started anew. We do, and in the view of a scriptwriter i really understand that osbot 2 is much better than osbot 1 and the market will be fresh etc etc. But maybe you should look it from the other side aswell. We don't develop any scripts, we don't see any changes in the market as we don't sell them and so the osbot 2 client has some nice features for us aswell. It is for me as costumer not worth it to spend $120 to buy all the scripts i had just for a client which has some new cool features. So yeah, for script writers it really NEEDS to happen, for us it's just another client with some extra features. Dude get over it, Osbot 2 is going to happen no matter how much you argue with us... You lose some money we lose alot of time everyone needs to tip in a little So we shouldn't argue as osbot 2 is going to happen anyway? Now that's a valid argument! We lose some money, i actually lose $120 to be sure, and i would rather pay 6 hours work than paying $120 for a new client. I think it's important for you, and for other scriptwriters aswell, to look take a look at it from both sides: Scriptwriters --> Lose time --> huge benifits --> Monthly payments, fresh scripts to sell, better API to make scripts with Costumers --> Lose lots of money (the one more than another) --> some benifits (extra features) --> Old client + market was fine and a new client wasn't actually neccesary Edited June 3, 2014 by Mojito Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fractal Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Yes I expect the provider of a script to update a script and give it away to the users who already payed the fee, I don't know where you get the word free from. The lifetime fee includes updates, and this is just another major update. If you don't think you will earn enough revenue from new users, then don't update the script. Very simple IMO. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precise Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 We do, and in the view of a scriptwriter i really understand that osbot 2 is much better than osbot 1 and the market will be fresh etc etc. But maybe you should look it from the other side aswell. We don't develop any scripts, we don't see any changes in the market as we don't sell them and so the osbot 2 client has some nice features for us aswell. It is for me as costumer not worth it to spend $120 to buy all the scripts i had just for a client which has some new cool features. So yeah, for script writers it really NEEDS to happen, for us it's just another client with some extra features. So we shouldn't argue as osbot 2 is going to happen anyway? Now that's a valid argument! We lose some money, i actually lose $120 to be sure, and i would rather pay 6 hours work than paying $120 for a new client. I think it's important for you, and for other scriptwriters aswell, to look take a look at it from both sides: Scriptwriters --> Lose time --> huge benifits --> Monthly payments, fresh scripts to sell, better API to make scripts with Costumers --> Lose lots of money (the one more than another) --> some benifits (extra features) --> Old client + market was fine and a new client wasn't actually neccesary i don't see why you are blaming scripters. We don't have control over this, it was the developers. Go and flame them if you are so cranky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apaec Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 This There was no lifetime guarentee, no such thing as 'lifetime promises' or 'lifetime payments'. When you bought the script from the store it came with a price, this price didn't actually state it was lifetime, it just contrasted it to a monthly renewal. i don't see why you are blaming scripters. We don't have control over this, it was the developers. Go and flame them if you are so cranky. Agreed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theodore Bagwell Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) i don't see why you are blaming scripters. We don't have control over this, it was the developers. Go and flame them if you are so cranky. Please read the whole conversation instead of saying things which aren't true They indeed have the right to remove our scripts, but i find it rather unfair that WE should pay the bill of the fact that developers/scripters made a mistake in the past to make a lot of script one-time-fee. As you said earlier, developers/scripters have to learn from their mistakes, so then please explain me why we have to pay for your mistakes? Read what i said before, i'm not blaming the scripters on this, but in my opinion osbot should come with a solution to pay you guys to convert the scripts OR refund our lifetime scripts. The only thing i find annoying is that you, as script writer (and other sw), don't take a look from both sides. Arguments like "the market is dead and it will be up after osbot 2 is happening" and "API is much better" are actually none of our (costumer's) business as we don't benefit from it. Anyway, again i'm not trying to blame you for what's happening, but i would really like a developer to reply Edited June 3, 2014 by Mojito Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deffiliate Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Just so you all know, not all scripters are on the money-hungry side. I for one had no qualm with transferring OSB1 lifetime scripts to OSB2 while keeping the life-time license. I for one feel like the system they've put into effect is only to satisfy those making profit from the deal. If I want ot make some more money, i'lll write another bad-ass script. Simple as that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botre Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Just so you all know, not all scripters are on the money-hungry side. I for one had no qualm with transferring OSB1 lifetime scripts to OSB2 while keeping the life-time license. I for one feel like the system they've put into effect is only to satisfy those making profit from the deal. If I want ot make some more money, i'lll write another bad-ass script. Simple as that. You did it right from the first time that's why ;) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deffiliate Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 You did it right from the first time that's why That wasn't my first rodeo. By this time i'd already realized renewal fees are the way to go. With King of the dragons I've gotten over 500+ sales, all lifetime. You don't see me begging for these people to pay renewals. Instead I wish they could just keep their life-time and continue to enjoy the script that they paid for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theodore Bagwell Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 That wasn't my first rodeo. By this time i'd already realized renewal fees are the way to go. With King of the dragons I've gotten over 500+ sales, all lifetime. You don't see me begging for these people to pay renewals. Instead I wish they could just keep their life-time and continue to enjoy the script that they paid for. I wish everyone would think like that. People should keep their life-time payment and continue enjoying their scripts on osbot 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepecher Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I wish everyone would think like that. People should keep their life-time payment and continue enjoying their scripts on osbot 2. "Their scripts on osbot 2" Did you buy a script on osbot 2?? (Because no, osbot 1 script != osbot 2 script). You have no right to ask/demand lifetime script support on a different script you didn't even buy. If the scripter decides to port over their script and give out free copies then so be it but don't try to oblige all scripters to do the same. Now once and for all: You bought a script with a "One time fee" (again, one time fee != lifetime). Scripts are provided as is, A scripter could very well decide not to update a script for a rs update and you would get no refund. You buy a script which is a piece of code that is written to work with a certain version of runescape. Often the scripters decide to update the script to please it's customers and attract new one but he is not obliged to do that. Same thing here for osbot 2. You bought a script for a certain version of runescape on a certain version of the bot client. If either get's an update the scripter is not obliged to update and please you (the customer) in any way or provide you with access to the a new piece of code. I'd say you should be gratefull you even get free 30 day trial... Now please understand you are only making this harder for yourself. You are inventing rights you do not have and try to circumvent the inevitable. You will lose support to scripts you bought because software ugraded. It's like buying a windows xp and demanding a free copy of windows 8 when it comes out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Just so you all know, not all scripters are on the money-hungry side. I for one had no qualm with transferring OSB1 lifetime scripts to OSB2 while keeping the life-time license. I for one feel like the system they've put into effect is only to satisfy those making profit from the deal. If I want ot make some more money, i'lll write another bad-ass script. Simple as that. Agreed. There are unfortunately a small % of scripters such as that are HUNGRY for some cents. I like you though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botre Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) Agreed. There are unfortunately a small % of scripters such as that are HUNGRY for some cents. I like you though. Your job as a botter is to buy scripts and run them, that could easily be done in 10 mouse clicks per day. My job as a scripter is to write hundreds, sometimes thousands, lines of codes, market my product and provide customer support, all on a daily basis. I'm hungry for some fucking cents because I actually work for those fucking cents. Stop acting like a shrimp and treating me as if I were a shark. Edited June 4, 2014 by Botrepreneur 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
