Probability Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Obviously it's pretty funny. I doubt he was using the OSbot client or anything else that should've triggered it. And yet somehow the BotWatch system still picked him up. He was manually unbanned about 5 mins later. For anyone commenting, please note that this is just one ban and thus we can't infer anything about BotWatch's behaviour from this one instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Maldesto Posted October 22, 2019 Administrator Share Posted October 22, 2019 Welcome to Jagex where they would rather ban 1000 innocent people than let 1 botter go free. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBron Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 OSBot is free and has better customer support 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ez11 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 lmao at reddit fags thinking false bans exist. I go hundreds of hours without bans doing certain activities and they believe this guy got banned without botting. Bet he did some "offstream agility" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Omegalul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Probability Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 Longer response from anti-cheating specialist Mod Tyran: "It's human error that acts as a double edged sword - even though we use very few of them, automated bans are actually very accurate (much more so than human) but they are fed from human learning to help improve and make them effective, otherwise they would be wildly inaccurate and flag entire swaths of innocent users, or be very niche and therefore not effective in aiding to take out mass amount of bots (contrary to popular belief, we do ban over 15,000 bots per day in OSRS - mostly made up of 'suicide bots' created to generate a small amount of wealth and trade it off as quickly as possible). Whilst the automated system does ban a number of accounts, these are from heuristics built by the team and are only made live after vigorous checks. When they do eventually get made live, they are very restrictive on what type of account they look for and are reviewed frequently. The vast majority of accounts are all checked by members of staff - hence where human error unfortunately comes in to play. When assessing if an account is a bot or not, we do not examine if they belong to any noteworthy players in the community, members of staff or anything else of the sort - they are all assessed on the same basis, hence the ban on the account aforementioned. It just so happened I was watching a stream at the time, and therefore was made aware of a false-positive ban and could remove it in real time, rather than it being picked up in our daily quality and sampling checks - something we do to audit ourselves as a team to ensure we remain consistent and as accurate as possible. These are additional checks we do on top of verifying if a flagged account is a bot or not. I would have, and have unbanned players where the ban is incorrect as and when I see it, just players who are in the public eye are much more obvious. I know this doesn't provide a clear answer on "why not just allow all bans to be appealable?" which has been addressed elsewhere in the past, but I hope it gives a little bit of information on how our team works when looking for and applying punishments to accounts." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prizford Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Interesting to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hernandez2000 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I wonder if Jag is trying to implement some new anti cheat stuff to counter all the op client stuff and it failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
