Nezz

Don't forget Kaley's FUCKING AUTO TYPER.

It makes me enough to consider it a part time job. More so once I get more scripts on the SDN, I imagine. Stop with this "work hard and get OSD" shit. All you can do is throw an application in the forums and hope Alek looks at it within the next month. I have put my application in. That's all I can do. Alek has told me several times "I'll look at them tonight." but then doesn't. If OSD is your reason why to not change things, then let's make OSD a real thing. On that note, OSD doesn't give any benefits. Which is another reason why we should change Scripter ranks. Reread my post. The fact that it's so easy to get is why I think scripter rank should be changed.

I think the difference between us is that you view this as a forum, and I view this as a business. And what is happening is that SDN Scripters are getting denied something that everyone else of importance gets. You're right about one thing, my reaction to all of it has not been prime. But that doesn't make my point any less valid. During the "Demote Maldesto" phase, one of the big things was "Staff doesn't listen to the community." So Raf was promoted. Every suggestion I've made so far has been ridiculed, shot down, and not even considered by staff. As a forum, I can understand this. But as a business, I can not. If adding a color is that difficult, then don't add the colors. I still believe the ranks should be changed, and other colors should be removed. I have applied for OSD, the application system is not a system. If you're going to use that as an excuse, make it a real thing. I'm tired of the constant excuse of "It's too hard to add color." "There's too many colors already." "It's too easy to get SDN scripter" 1. It's the same as adding any other benefit SDN scripter has (which it has a lot) 2. That's why I'm saying remove colors. 3. Add shitty flax picker->Get SDN Scripter->Get unlimited tabs, no ads, access to VIP/sponsor/donor forums, access to script dev forums You literally give VIP away for free when someone puts up a free SDN script. Please explain why you think Veteran should exist and have a color, but SDN scripter should not.

so because you were here, left and came back half a year later you deserve a colored name? im not saying get rid of the rank. im saying get rid of the colored name. no one supports scripter colored name but when it comes to their color all the sudden its "we deserve it."?

So what is the point of OSD? And how do you feel about forum rank rework?

They just changed it to unlimited. The rank can stay. But the colored name should go.

Thanks for the constructive response. Please either post something worthwhile or don't post at all.

It would take out the colored name from Vet, Graphics Designer, and Ex-Staff. What I mean by too many ranks was that there were too many current colors. How so? To have staff marked would be an excellent thing. To remove useless colors would also be a good thing, so new people aren't so confused as to who is what and why there are so many colors in chat. If things were changed, I wouldn't even be SDN. I don't have any free SDN scripts.

Most of what?

I think there's a general consensus that forum ranks need an overall rework. Current list of forum ranks: http://osbot.org/forum/topic/24588-understanding-the-forum-ranks/ Staff positions: Administrator Super Moderator Global Moderator Trial Moderator Chatbox Assistant Donator positions: Sponsor VIP $100+ Donor Other ranks: Ex-Staff Veteran Verified ranks (services, transactor, middleman) SOTW Winner Graphic Designer Official Scripter SDN Scripter The problem I see: There are too many ranks. There is a confusion as to which colors mean what, especially for new people. What I think should happen: I think a majority of name colors should be removed. I think Staff should have a glowing name color + an icon at the start/end of their name to indicate staff. (or rank indicated in name somehow) I think Trial Scripter should be added. Any rank that gives a name color should not be glowing Ranks (other than staff) that should have name colors: VIP, Sponsor SDN, Official Scripter Why do I think these ranks and not others? This site is a site built on scripts for osbot. Without the scripters, this site would fail. VIP/Sponsor give access to special benefits. If you're a 100+ Donor, you should have VIP/Sponsor anyway. Change of ranks: Currently SDN Scripter gives unlimited tabs, access to VIP/Sponsor board, access to Script Dev board, and has no ads. This should be changed to: OSD should be SDN's current benefits. Change in requirements for OSD: Premium SDN script for at least one month. SDN should get 4 bot tabs (shared between clients, not 4tabs/client), access to script dev board, and no ads. Change in requirements for SDN Scripter: 2 Free SDN scripts for at least one month, proof of basic Java knowledge. This will limit the current "price war" on scripts, as a new person will not be able to just pop in and put up a script for 2 dollars. It will also limit the amount of new scripters putting not-so-good scripts up as premium, as they will have need to already make, update, and sustain a free script. Trial Scripter should get 2 bot tabs (shared between clients), access to script dev board. Not really any requirements. Perhaps member for at least one month?All PIPS can stay. I have seen too often Ex-Staff, Veterans, Donors, etc be treated as staff simply for having a different name color than VIP/Sponsor.

Can I start a new thread on reworking then?

Then make it harder and give Script writer ranks a rework. You're refusing to even think about this suggestion, and it's disrespectful to the script writers of this site. This is no longer based solely on a colored name. Script ranks need to be reworked in general.

Running it for 6+ hours is good. But as a test, you just need to make sure it works. Also, if one area works, the rest should work if you're scripting it well. Not to mention you should be testing it as you're creating it. Then once that area works well, you move on. Why do you need multiple tabs for this? At any rate, this is off topic of the thread. SDN scripter deserves a colored name.

You don't need a 6 hour proggy for each location. Testing a location should take you 10 minutes. All you need is "When my inventory is full, does it run to bank? When it's in bank, does it bank? when it's in bank and empty, does it run to trees? when it's in trees and inventory is empty, does it cut trees?" and make sure it works > 1 time. You don't need > 2 tabs for that. If you do, then you should apply for OSD or pay for VIP. Other people managed to do it, so can you.

SDN scripter's bot tabs should be limited (I realize osbot just changed them to unlimited) OSD scripter's bot tabs should be unlimited. SDN Scripter should have ads, OSD shouldn't. Essentially, take away a majority of the benefits given to SDN scripter, give it to OSD. All SDN should get is 2 bot tabs (I honestly don't know why they give SDN multiple to begin with, other than to test multiple scripts at a time which isn't necessary), and access to script dev forum section. OSD should be what SDN is now. Free SDN scripts shouldn't give SDN rank. Premium SDN scripts should require at least one free SDN script for a month. OSD application should require one premium SDN script for a month (rather than member for two months) Scholar (from previous post) should be given to those who don't script for the site, but have a large knowledge of Java/programming in general.

If I'm going to be honest at this point it's not even about having a colored name. Now I'm just curious as to why we don't have one. and why staff is so adamant on not giving us one. OSbot makes more money from my scripts than from any of the VIP members. OSbot has made more money in one week than most VIP members from me. Yet you're telling me you deserve the colored name more than I do? You're telling me that I'm not worth the 5 minutes it would take to add a colored name? Don't give me the "We have to add/remove it every time someone stops updating a script." because it is automated along with all of the other benefits. At this point it is offensive that you're refusing something so small to a group of people that give so much.

I do. I try to respond to as many scripting problems as I can. But if someone comes in with a scripting problem, they just ask everyone. If there was a scripter name color, they could focus their questions towards them, or even PM them.

It's not like I'm asking for a bunch of benefits. I'm asking for a colored name. :| People don't know you as a scripted until you either tell them, or if they've bought one of your scripts. But when people come into chat and ask for help, it encourages them to know they're being helped by someone who has a script on the SDN. A colored name would help this out. This isn't a huge benefit. This wouldn't be a whole lot of work to add. All it will do is encourage people to keep SDN scripter rank (for the colored name and recognition) it will help new scripters to find out who to ask for scripting help (especially on issues with SDN) it will give more recognition for those who have scripter rank. I honestly can not see one downside to adding this other than "We have to remove it every time someone stops updating their script" which should be automated. If it isn't, then it should take someone 5 minutes to automate it.

Then why give any benefits at all? You guys should have a script that adds/removes benefits for ranks given. This is an automation site. If you're telling me you do this by hand, I'm going to be disappointed. :| Or make it harder for a script to get on the SDN. For instance: Require at least one script on the free SDN for a month before allowing them to put in a premium SDN script. SDN scripter rank should only be given to premium SDN scripters. Or as Swizz suggested, a trial rank. But all I'm asking for is a colored name. ;-; ^On that note, if someone adds a free SDN script, they're getting VIP for free.

I did apply. Alek has been telling me the last few nights that he will look at applications, but hasn't. The only benefit you're giving me for buying VIP is a name color. Like I said, it's not that I don't appreciate it. I just don't understand why you guys refuse to add it.

I realize I suggested this a while ago. But new information recently came to me that I didn't know, and that I believe supports the name color even more: 1. SDN Scripters get multiple bot tabs. FOR FREE. 2. SDN Scripters get no ads. FOR FREE. 3. SDN Scripters have access to VIP/Sponsor/etc forum page. FOR FREE. SDN Scripter = VIP but with no name color change. You're telling me I have to pay ten dollars/month for a colored name? Because that's literally the only benefit you're offering me. Sure, I get 10% off scripts, but 90% of the time I just write my own if I need it, and if I'm going to purchase a script I'm happy to pay the full 100% to support the scripter and osbot. Shit, I'd rather pay 100% so that you guys don't take away from their money to pay for the VIP sponsorship. I don't see the problem of giving SDN Scripter a colored name. I really don't. It can't be that much work to add it. All I want is a colored name. :| And if you're going to say no because "OSD has colored name" then make the OSD application process better, because Alek has been telling me he'd go through applications for the few days, but hasn't. Frost's has been there since February 28th. If you counted the 30% you take from my scripts as donations, I'd be yellow, on my way to 500. Yet you're *still* telling me I don't deserve a colored name? Benefits of adding a colored name: Recognizable in chat. Easier for new people to find someone to ask for help. A name that actually means something more than "I gave money to osbot" It would make me (and I'm sure a lot of other scripters) happy. Note: It's not that I am not grateful for the benefits offered by SDN. I just disagree that you have to pay to get a colored name.

This would be extremely helpful. Any idea on when/if it will come into play?

7.99 - 7.79 = .20 pls, Verified Your 15% discount is being applied. by 3%

No, the price is wrong. lel VIP discount = 10% 10% of 4.99 = .49 = price costs 4.50 instead price costs 3.59 or w/e my screen shot says.