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A registered email is enough to discourage a majority of people from scamming. Personal information is the only weapon we have against these types of people.

You make a great point here. At no point should OSBot condone hacking/doxing. An email should only be released under certain circumstances such as the recent case with Pak Yak Scum. He was in CB and scammed 3+ people to take away 180m (200m+ as he got some people from within his Clan chat) and must follow some strict guidelines set by the admin/whoever is in charge. When i do a trade with a user, I ask for the login name for the account, that way I can lookup online and do a quick search for any scams. A personal email may be linked to paypal for example. This is just an extra check I can do to ensure that the user is not a scammer (yes I understand you can add extra emails to paypal and remove it, but we are not going after the people who are aware, those guys always find a way). If this was my forums, there would be very strict guidlines in which a users email would be released. 1 report is clearly not enough but 3 over the course of 24 hours is enough to determine if a user has scam quit from the site - like the case with Pak Yak Scum. NL (osbot is hosted in nl) law states that if the user consents to the email being released, there's fuck all they can do (lawyers still need to double check this). A change to a ToS and an option to shut down your OSBot account during the ToS change should be implimented if this was to actually happen. I understand your concerns with releasing emails but as stated. Very strict guidelines need to be met before that information is released. This is all possible to do in a legal manner aswell.

So if this was added to the ToS this would be allowed? Still would need OSBot's lawyer to go over it, but with the way things are looking it looks like Maldesto does not want to go ahead with this idea. Thanks for taking the time to research this.

Well if that's where you stand then you may aswell lock this thread. Plenty of people have pledged support and I'm all out of arguments for now.

A dox is a punishment. If you ban me for punishing the person that scammed me, then you're are no better than the scammer. You're his accomplice in my eyes. I know that's a pretty far stretch. And the rules right now on OSBot tell me it's bad to do that. But there's litterly no punishment for scammers right now

We want the reason for which they was banned. By the look of your profile you do no trades so this shouldn't concern you.

Damn reddit bots man I think you may be thinking a little close minded. There's multiple reasons. One being curiosity with those I have previously dealt with, but also those who I may deal with in the future. Fact is, if I see someone banned on a forums I'm resilent to deal with them. If they tell me they are banned for harrasment I will assume it's for scamming and will refuse to trade with them, however, If there's a topic on that forum I can search thru to find the true reason (posted by a verified staff member who has access to that information) and it confirms the ban was just for harrasment, I will most likely trade with that user. Right now it's hard to find which member has scammed or have just been permed because of harrasments/other OSBot rules they have broken. I understand you may not see the reason for a lookup, but it takes less than 10 seconds to write a username and a short brief explanation of why that user was banned and it does more than just "looks up a banned member for the lolz". That's true, but what I meant to say is that we can't even currently view the rep to work out the reason of a ban (if they had a -1 to show why they was banned for scamming).

The fact is that you can't click on the usernames of the banned users and go thru the post history (or view the rep). Generic names are a pain to search via google. Much easier if we can just get a topic we can ctrl+f thru and find the answer in seconds imo.

Let's ask on reddit... https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/5etudd/nl_dpa_question_releasing_emails_of_people/

Time to move the servers to africa Yeah I was worried this may be the case and I'm glad you brought it up. Anyone with legal backgrounds able to tell us a way around this? Maybe something in the ToS?

I've seen it like this on other forums and I believe that works. Scamming is the number one threat in the RS black markets and I believe that's the only thing which should be posted in detail.

I agree with Krys, I don't think we have tyrannical mods here so that would never happen. But in the case that it does, the backlash would fall heavy on the mod and would result in a more fair system.

My suggestion is to show all the banned users + the reason that warranted that ban (may it be perm or temp) If there's no plugin availble, maybe you could do a monthly topic showing who was banned and for what reason (link to dispute if required) This is just for book keeping reasons. I've bought and sold a few things to now banned users, some of which I can't get a reason to why they were banned (and at risk of accounts/payments getting recovered). I'd kinda like my paranoia to be put to rest by knowing what they was banned for. Also maybe it'll be a good way for the community to see what people are getting banned for the most, and show us how we can, as one, make this place better for all of us. And now for a more controversial suggestion: Included in the above suggestion, any convicted scammer's original registered Email address is posted publicly. If there's no worry about irl repercussions, people will scam. People will still scam by creating fake emails sure, but it'll maybe make people think twice before doing it. Especially if you keep logged the original email they used to sign up with (easy to do guys cmon just another db field and a modification to the sign up page) I know these are very tricky suggestions to agree on so I'm open to criticism + suggestions. If we do it (the most active osrs site) maybe the other sites will follow suit aswell. Edit: @jackshow had a good suggestion that I think it worth adding to the OP. He suggests changing the banned group to something else where we can still rep/forums posts. Please check out and read his post here: http://osbot.org/forum/topic/110632-show-banned-users-reasons-for-ban/?p=1243309

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Im just posting here so I can get 100 pc so I can sell my accounts

You're in singles tho

Doge #3 ready to fuck someone up

I won an AGS on there but forgot my login so I just left it. About a week later someone from their site found me and told me to collect it lol

You can use BTC in a way that is 100% anonymous and impossible to track. As others said, only directed at coinbase.

Apply Explv goddamnit!

Are all your drivers up to date? Is Java on the latest version?

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No it's pointless. Take ReturnOfWildy for example. He's perm banned and on a ban-on-site for Jagex. If he streams, they can find his account and ban him. When he uploads a video his account will be banned the next day. This would be much simplier if they just ip banned him (which is like, a step above ip flagging), apart from like 90% of people have a dynamic IP which changes every now and again (or after a hard reboot of your router) If you're botting multiple accounts on the same IP, you may find that they all get banned at the same time. But Jagex won't monitor or flag your IP. They are just connecting the dots. We don't know if Jagex flag payment details. We don't even truly know for sure if Jagex are flagging ips, however, logic states that it's a waste of time.

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