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You cannot disprove nor prove religion. You can only disprove, or prove an individuals belief. That's true, but most things require evidence before being considered true. The existence of God isn't any more likely than the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster from a completely objective standpoint.On the video though, the guys are good speakers, but I doubt they would ever admit to losing an argument even if they were beat... Also, you don't need a book to tell you what moral standards are. Moral standards are intuitive, hence why the majority of religions can culminate their morals to one simple law "Treat others how you would like to be treated". This comes from empathy, which most people have, and hence why we don't all go out killing each other and stealing everything from our neighbours. Obviously humans aren't perfect though, and this was a pretty big generalization, so you know...shit happens. On another note, I just have trouble believing in an all powerful, loving, and just God that answers Tim Teebow's prayers but says suck it to the starving kid in Africa. its funny all this fools wont even watch any other videos where he gives SOOO MUCH EVIDENCE that proves the bible true.They ask for anyone in the oc/la area to go speak to them at the 3rd street promanade in santa monica. you guys are the small fry and are not even close to experts and would be stumped every time. I have to admit I wouldn't waste the time going through all their videos. But if you want to link me to some of this evidence of the bible being true and completely fact based I'd feel no remorse in crushing your hopes and dreams...(hehe, jk, but seriously, post some of that evidence please or link a video). The main reason this guy can win arguments is because he is a quick thinker and an intimidating speaker, not that he actually presents good points. Also, I really hope you aren't one of the people who takes the bible literally in all its glory. Because I really thought most people would have given up on that by now. And yes, Jesus was a real person, him rising from the dead and being the son of god is the questionable part

yeah...I got 20 accounts banned a few days ago, sad times :P

I feel like there should be some kind of stickied warning thread in the account trading section. Runescape accounts are always recoverable no matter how much information the account owner has given you. And you will have almost no chance of getting the account back if it is recovered. There is definitely a substantial amount of people who think having the original email and no JAG and such helps at all, but it doesn't. It doesn't make a difference if somebody gives you all the information or none, the account will not be any safer against recovery. There should just be some sort of thread stating these things so that people are not given a false sense of security.

In the lead. So uh, how many membership days are left?

Also, side note, this part of the forums is for discussing the OSbot client...

You cannot disprove nor prove religion. You can only disprove, or prove an individuals belief. That's true, but most things require evidence before being considered true. The existence of God isn't any more likely than the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster from a completely objective standpoint. On the video though, the guys are good speakers, but I doubt they would ever admit to losing an argument even if they were beat... Also, you don't need a book to tell you what moral standards are. Moral standards are intuitive, hence why the majority of religions can culminate their morals to one simple law "Treat others how you would like to be treated". This comes from empathy, which most people have, and hence why we don't all go out killing each other and stealing everything from our neighbours. Obviously humans aren't perfect though, and this was a pretty big generalization, so you know...shit happens. On another note, I just have trouble believing in an all powerful, loving, and just God that answers Tim Teebow's prayers but says suck it to the starving kid in Africa.

How many membership days left? Also, 5 mill

Actually it is equal to 0.999... simply because it is equivalent to 1. Aka 9/9 = 1= 0.999...For an actual proof lets look at a geometric series expression of 0.999...which can actually be understood with very little background in mathematics. How can we express 0.999... As a sum of an infinite series of fractions? This can be done by adding 9/10 + 9/100 + 9/1000 + 9/10000... And so on, with each term being equal to the term previous to it divided by 10. Lets call this series s. Now lets say we take s, and multiply it by 10. The first term becomes a 9, while the rest of the terms take the place of the term before it. Such that 10s = 9 + 9/10 + 9/100 + 9/1000 + 9/10000... Now, if we take our series 10s, and subtract from it the series s, we can then see that every term will be cancelled out except for the 9. So 10s - s = 9, 9s = 9 s = 1 As you can see from this, our infinite series is equal to 1. And hence 0.999... = 1. This is essentially the same as a proof Zappa did earlier, but now you can see why the geometric series converges to 1 Note: 0.999... Means 0.999 followed by an infinite amount of 9's

Sure, but there is 0% proof of God, and a whole lot more proof for science. 0 precent proof? what about that rule that says non order cannot create order? hmmm i wonder what that means. Arguing against science without proper knowledge of science is just as bad as arguing against religion without any knowledge of religion. so you are either saying i interpreted the rule wrong, or mabye you are saying i dont have a proper knowledge of science? when i know all about science. edit. horrible rebuttal man. No, the laws are perfectly fine. But trying to disprove the big bang isn't going to get you very far. hahaha realy bro? the big bang is so easy to refute. I also see you are not even up to date with your evolution theory. Did you seriously just say that the Big Bang never happened? Are you also going to tell me that the Earth is 6000 years old? you seriously don't understand that even the scientific community has abandoned the big bang as a theory. do research like i told you because you aren't well informed at all. Probably the same "scientific" community which thinks evolution never happened as well, and that humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time... Also, the Big Bang theory has not been disregarded, the Big Bounce theory is just an extension of the Big Bang, of which there are many other hypothesis as well. This one just happens to not require a singularity. ' That being said, the universe is increasing in size at an accelerating rate, meaning it is not slowing down whatsoever, so a so called "Big Rip" seems more likely than a "Big Crunch". Also, the people debating radio active dating and the fossil records tend to be the same people trying to prove the 6000 year old earth...It's pretty impressive that people can still believe in a 6000 year old earth, there is an enormous amount of evidence from a wide array of fields showing that it is clearly not that could you give me can i get some of that evidence? i mean if you have any. im gonna show you a video of a man that truimps everyone, not sure if you have heard of him he speaks in santa monica sometimes please watch you will understand everything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MZm523B22o Do you actually believe that the entire scientific community is just making shit up when they say an event occurred millions of years ago? We have radiometric dating as you've already stated (although for some reason you think it's flawed?). There's also the fact that you can trace fossil records back and see the evolution of humans (which already dates back over 100,000 years), you can go to a museum and see this for yourself. You can also look at the layers of rock which build up from millions of years of volcanic eruptions, and see all the different rock layers. You can trace back tectonic shift and see how the continents fit together (which would take millions of years to occur). There's also the fact that the universe is billions of years old. Since you appear to believe in the big bounce idea then I don't see how you wouldn't at least place the age of the universe in the billions, so I think that you probably aren't a young earth creationist and are just playing devil's advocate or something. I don't understand why creationists bother using science to try and prove the earth is 6000 years old (well, mostly just trying to disprove anything which says it is older), wouldn't it be easier to just say "God created everything the way it is 6000 years ago", so then anything could appear to be any age? Like I could say everything was created yesterday, and everything was just put in place the way it is, it would lead to a lot less debates because you could go back to the faith side of things and be happy that nobody can say you're wrong. And about your video, the guy in the video is very passive aggressive, but obviously a good speaker at least...It seems the entire time he's trying to prove being atheist is a belief just like being a Christian is a belief (correct me if I got that wrong, cause then the rest of this is pointless). When you put it in that perspective it makes it look like either choice is valid, and is subjective. In the real world though we tend not to believe things without evidence, that is everything is false until proven true. And as some guy said "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", I think it was Richard Dawkins, I dunno. The athiest guy in the video was just trying to say atheism is not a belief in the same way a religion is a belief, because it does not require a leap in logic (i.e, saying something exists without evidence). The bearded guy just kept saying "atheists believe things and christians believe things" but it wasn't really the point... Edit: I also noticed that our quotes are getting way to long and we derailed the thread pretty hard, so if you want to continue the conversation I think we should switch to pm's. I'd like to continue just because I enjoy the debate, and it forces me to do research and learn things

Sure, but there is 0% proof of God, and a whole lot more proof for science. 0 precent proof? what about that rule that says non order cannot create order? hmmm i wonder what that means. Arguing against science without proper knowledge of science is just as bad as arguing against religion without any knowledge of religion. so you are either saying i interpreted the rule wrong, or mabye you are saying i dont have a proper knowledge of science? when i know all about science. edit. horrible rebuttal man. No, the laws are perfectly fine. But trying to disprove the big bang isn't going to get you very far. hahaha realy bro? the big bang is so easy to refute. I also see you are not even up to date with your evolution theory. Did you seriously just say that the Big Bang never happened? Are you also going to tell me that the Earth is 6000 years old? you seriously don't understand that even the scientific community has abandoned the big bang as a theory. do research like i told you because you aren't well informed at all. Probably the same "scientific" community which thinks evolution never happened as well, and that humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time... Also, the Big Bang theory has not been disregarded, the Big Bounce theory is just an extension of the Big Bang, of which there are many other hypothesis as well. This one just happens to not require a singularity. ' That being said, the universe is increasing in size at an accelerating rate, meaning it is not slowing down whatsoever, so a so called "Big Rip" seems more likely than a "Big Crunch". Also, the people debating radio active dating and the fossil records tend to be the same people trying to prove the 6000 year old earth...It's pretty impressive that people can still believe in a 6000 year old earth, there is an enormous amount of evidence from a wide array of fields showing that it is clearly not that young.

If a person wants to recover their account, they can always do it. There is no way to protect your account from getting recovered. You could possibly get enough information on the account that you could recover it back if they do, but if somebody is planning on recovering the account they obviously won't give you the correct information. Another problem is that they can see the ip used to make the account, and what ip's were used to login to the account. Obviously ip's change alot, but will still show you from the same location. Basically if you wanted to completely protect an account by having the ability to recover it you would first need to obtain all the personal information related to the account (transaction numbers, date created, isp provider, etc), and then you would need to get the ip of the person who made the account (and make sure they are not using a vpn), You would then need to have access to a network with the same isp and location as whoever made the account, and then perform an account recovery before purchasing. If the recovery is successful then I think you could say you have secured the account. That's obviously a lot of effort and if somebody is planning on recovering the account they probably wouldn't give you the information required. Having the original email DOES NOT help at all. The process for recovering account is really simple, they can email Jagex from any email account saying their account was stolen. Jagex will then lock the account and they recover through the website by filling in their information.

or you could just buy vip...

Sure, but there is 0% proof of God, and a whole lot more proof for science. 0 precent proof? what about that rule that says non order cannot create order? hmmm i wonder what that means. Arguing against science without proper knowledge of science is just as bad as arguing against religion without any knowledge of religion. so you are either saying i interpreted the rule wrong, or mabye you are saying i dont have a proper knowledge of science? when i know all about science. edit. horrible rebuttal man. No, the laws are perfectly fine. But trying to disprove the big bang isn't going to get you very far. hahaha realy bro? the big bang is so easy to refute. I also see you are not even up to date with your evolution theory. "the big bang is easy to refute"...Except it's one of the most accepted theories in all of physics... Also, you can believe that the big bang did indeed occur, and still have faith in god. Similar to how people can believe in evolution and still have faith... The fact that the universe is expanding makes it pretty evident that the big bang occurred...

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Sure, but there is 0% proof of God, and a whole lot more proof for science. 0 precent proof? what about that rule that says non order cannot create order? hmmm i wonder what that means. Arguing against science without proper knowledge of science is just as bad as arguing against religion without any knowledge of religion. so you are either saying i interpreted the rule wrong, or mabye you are saying i dont have a proper knowledge of science? when i know all about science. edit. horrible rebuttal man. No, the laws are perfectly fine. But trying to disprove the big bang isn't going to get you very far.

I'll buy the 51k for 10k

Sure, but there is 0% proof of God, and a whole lot more proof for science. 0 precent proof? what about that rule that says non order cannot create order? hmmm i wonder what that means. Arguing against science without proper knowledge of science is just as bad as arguing against religion without any knowledge of religion.

Yeah, if you have low hp/defence though I would suggest getting multiples of the main quest items as you go through, cause you can get instakilled by the monkey archers at the entrance

Uh, yeah...that's called fraud, don't do it.

I'd like all the money making guides. I'm a gold farmer though, soz. I promise I won't resell it though?

For some reason I feel obligated to correct this post (sorry in advance)... Objects do not fall at the same speed, they accelerate at the same rate. More specifically, at a rate of around 9.81 meters per second. It's not a "weird sciency thing you can't explain", it's the Law of Gravitation. On another note, if you drop a bowling ball and a tennis ball out of a plane, the bowling ball would most likely hit the ground first, as it has a greater terminal velocity.

Do you know why it will never reach 0? Because it will never reach infinity. In case you didn't notice, your domain does not include +/- infinity.Read my post again. I clearly state it goes from -infi to 0 0 to infiLet me explain further. You CANNOT include infinity in your domain or range, infinity is not a specific value. First of all, by convention round brackets, i.e ( ), implies that the end values are not included in your domain, while square brackets [ ], would imply that they are included, so I assumed you meant that infinity was not in the domain.It doesn't really matter though, infinity cannot be a value in your domain, because x will never equal infinity. This is why we express infinities through limits Exactly, Infiniti cannot be included which is why you use a parenthesis and not a bracket. Yes, as I said, infinity is not included in your domain, hence why you can never reach 0. Your post thereby doesn't prove anything. There are however, several viable proofs that 0.999... repeating does equal 1.

Do you know why it will never reach 0? Because it will never reach infinity. In case you didn't notice, your domain does not include +/- infinity. Read my post again. I clearly state it goes from -infi to 0 0 to infi Let me explain further. You CANNOT include infinity in your domain or range, infinity is not a specific value. First of all, by convention round brackets, i.e ( ), implies that the end values are not included in your domain, while square brackets [ ], would imply that they are included, so I assumed you meant that infinity was not in the domain. It doesn't really matter though, infinity cannot be a value in your domain, because x will never equal infinity. This is why we express infinities through limits

Do you know why it will never reach 0? Because it will never reach infinity. In case you didn't notice, your domain does not include +/- infinity.

It's not a lag spike, it's just them disconnecting you from the game.