Hash1mate Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 A couple of days I go used the regular OSbot client with dreamfighter. Used a brand new, fresh proxied account. Got banned day 2 after about 20 hours. Currently on my pure I've ran 10-14 hours a day of botting with mirror, switching up between diff skills and what I bot for about 2 weeks now. Also using a main account on a proxy and botting barrows. About 12 hours a day of strictly botting barrows, (on normal client, not mirror). However I do complete elites whenever I get them from chest. I feel like you've got it spot on. I used to think that ban rates were about the script and location however i know dreamfighter is a great script and it didn't get stuck once. I also botted in varrock sewers for those 2 days which is one of the most discrete locations and I didn't receive a single report. However, My friend has ran MTA for 20 hours a day for a week on normal osbot client. He only got banned after using a f2p agility script for 2 hours. And that was only a 2 day Mod ban. I think you're spot on with the new accounts being watched a lot more than older ones. Hope this helps. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheeraano Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 I want to buy vip but my credcard dont work on internet untill im 18 #gg lyfe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruel Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 I want to buy vip but my credcard dont work on internet untill im 18 #gg lyfe I believe you can purchase with osgp if you'd like. Not positive though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushomi Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 we are doomed if we bot, and doom if we dont.... this game is killing us nomatter what lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fade Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 This is actually really helpful information 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruel Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 Update coming later today! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruel Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) 3/17 So we have all experienced the banhammer very much as of late and I would just like to share my personal experiences here to help everyone out. To do so I conducted a mini experiment: I've recently been using the Lazy Assistant Script by ProjectPact (Great Product). I made 2 accounts use it via injection and one via mirror. Then I wced all the accounts for 8 hours in Mirror Mode. Today the two accounts that I used with the injection client with Lazy Assistant this morning were banned, While the one fully used in mirror mode is still chopping away. Conclusion: From this I've resolved that Jagex can go back and check if your account has used the injection method, regardless of how many days ago it was. I can also safely assume they have some sort of program that scans their player database for injection and *poof*... they nail the banhammer into your precious account. This also explains how they can forgo an appeals process on these accounts as well, because they have the hard evidence showing that some external program has altered their game. I will continue to post updates on accounts etc if evidence begins to show me differently, but my recommendation is that injection is dead. So use only mirror mode. Otherwise your account is a short-living ticking time bomb. Happy botting guys! 3/18 Alright so some new information. I stupidly ran both, the surviving strictly mirror account, and a new account (set up completely with mirror mode) for 14 hours wcing and they as of today have both been perma banned. The wcing ban rate is very high right now and both areas where I botted were F2P. My theory update is that as well as an automated system they have JMods that watch F2P worlds like a hawk. Will be switching my botting regiment up to make it a little less obvious. Going to make some member accounts and work on various stats. From this I'm drawing that F2P suiciding is not gonna be the way to go. More to come here... 3/19 - 3/23 Alright so I made a weird discovery here over the past couple days regarding injection, but I think I have some really good insight regarding new accounts because of it. So over the past couple days I made three new F2P accounts (all of which were going to be botted using injection). Now I think it was Maxi who had a theory regarding tiers and this I believe supports that idea. Now two of the accounts I botted just using Lazy Assistant's New Account Walker feature while the other I legitimately trained up combat a little bit, fishing, cooking, and THEN began to bot woodcutting. Now here's what the weird part was... This morning I woke up and my two Autowalker accounts were banned... They haven't even been skilled at all yet and the walker was flawless, but obviously their system still detected the injected client. My woodcutter however managed to survive... My theory here is that there are tiers for accounts possibly based on total levels. You better believe Jagex watches those new F2P accounts like hawks, but if you legitimately play on the account for a little bit and switch it up skills wise you basically pass a "legitimacy test". The other thing I found strange too is that I purposely botted all these accounts on the same IP on the same computer at the same time and only the fresher two got banned. Any ideas on this? Please post in the replies. More insight coming soon! Special thanks to Maxi for the insight on tiers when releasing the Mirror Client. P.S. Will update post if wcer gets a delayed ban of some sort, but it doesn't look that way so far. Conclusion: From this I'm beginning to think one of two things or possibly even both... Either they scan F2P worlds for the modified clients OR they scan for it based on total levels. The third possibility is obviously that I got unlucky as shit, but that's much less likely I presume. More to come! 3/24-3/29 The following took place using mirror mode... Haven't had a ton of time to bot, but here goes nothing. The surviving bot from the previous dates has since been banned. The strange thing is the one time it got banned was the second time I botted it overnight. The mistake I made I believe was botting woodcutting consistently for too long. I spent solid 4 days approx. 10 hrs per day doing the same exact same task. I'm a believer that overnight botting is a bad idea. You better believe Jagex knows your timezone. I think the baseline tests are done and I'm going to try mixing in some legitimate play time with my next account and see how it does. Bottom line is suicide botting any one skill makes your account a ticking time bomb and ultimately is not worth it. Mirror mode is close to completely undetectable. Conclusion: I think I played in the same area too long and my account got caught because of the account patterns. We'll see if mixing it up helps out. Gonna be a little more creative and report back. Happy botting! 3/30-4/1 Alright so some less insightful news here, but good news none the less... Well the good part is that I have 3 accounts running on mirror doing different tasks every couple of hours and they have yet to be banned. The bad news is I was making an account for my man @Valkyr and was NOT using mirror mode. That account has been banned sadly. This information is obviously brief, but it's a pretty good way to start rapping up this thread. I'll be doing some more periodic updates as my farming grows, but it will certainly be over larger periods of time. Conclusion: What I'm realizing is that with the mirror client, the only thing left to detect is patterning. In all honesty I think now it's on the scriptors to become more creative with randomized path making and movements to make everything as humanlike as possible. As far as I can see as the mirror client continues to improve, so does my botting ability. I've been having a lot of success in general with Masterace Omega. I think a lot of that is because of the randomized web walking etc and I'm beginning to see those kind of scripts being the real future as opposed to single task scripts. Good luck scriptors. You have your work cut out for ya! Credits: As the core content of this begins to wrap up (but trust me there is definitely more to come) I hope people have been getting a lot of help from my experiences. This is only the genesis, but I want to give some specific shout outs to some of the people on here who have made this research possible. @Maldesto For OSBot and the community as a whole (duh) @Maxi and the rest of the development team for working their asses off to develop the mirror client (aka the client that has saved botting). @ProjectPact for the Lazy AIO script I used for the creation of my accounts (and gratz on Son Scriptor rank buddy!) @Divinity For MasterRace which has headlined an improvement in overall bot quality from all the scriptors. And last but most certainly not least I wanna thank every who has commented with deep insight and great tips throughout the discussion here. Much of my testing was based off of assumptions you guys posted in the comments and I would have nowhere to start without you. So thank you OSBot members for your contributions and remember... THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING ~ Cruelhitz When you accidentally quote yourself instead of editing the main post Edited April 1, 2015 by Cruelhitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoMar02 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Thank you for sharing this useful information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunka Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Thanks for your insight bud, very interested in seeing what's going on. Haven't botted in 8 months lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eri Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 do you have any information regarding how common bans are for running nats @ the abyss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruel Posted April 2, 2015 Author Share Posted April 2, 2015 do you have any information regarding how common bans are for running nats @ the abyss. I know runecrafting in general has a high ban rate, switch up skills though and you should be fine. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfinityExists Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Some quality information gathering here, thanks for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuneScape Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) So you're saying if we go get a VIP and use the mirror client, our chances of being banned will decrease? Just asking because I've been using the normal client and in less than a day 2 accounts have been banned, with each being locked twice before the ban. It may be my IP that is flagged lthough im using a VPN to switch IPs regularly. Im also using a premium script and anti-ban settings.. Edited April 7, 2015 by RuneScape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruel Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 So you're saying if we go get a VIP and use the mirror client, our chances of being banned will decrease? Just asking because I've been using the normal client and in less than a day 2 accounts have been banned, with each being locked twice before the ban. It may be my IP that is flagged lthough im using a VPN to switch IPs regularly. Im also using a premium script and anti-ban settings.. Bottom line is from a code based level they can detect the injection client, with mirror they cannot. And that is the game changer. At that point they are left up to patterning or catching your script bugging out. Very hard to catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuneScape Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Okay, thanks. So from a mirror client, how much do IPs matter? Im sure they're watching me like a hawk now with the number of bans i have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
