Khaleesi Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 (edited) On one side I agree but at the other side I disagree with this idea. Edited April 22, 2017 by Khaleesi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9thebeast Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 The OSBot dev team has the ability to make scripts, and say they make scripts. Just like you're allowed to make scripts and put that you are SDN manager on your scripts. Putting OSBot Official on your scripts is not the same thing and is the idea I am disagreeing with here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Explv Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, Alek said: Just off the top of my head, 5uck, Mrsdefnerd, Mysteryy, AT Team, Extreme Scripts, Dream Scripts, and Zappa (not the current Zappa). Those are just ones that I know had a bunch of scripts, there are lots of individual scripts that I forget the names of. Also sometimes we'll change the API around because of a fairly large game update. For instance we removed the worlds hook and world hopper and went strictly based on the world hopper. Sometimes there may be a big game update and the scripter will have to update their scripts regardless of the API. Thanks for the list, I wasn't aware that so many have been and gone. I guess I didn't really consider major game updates. In that case I think basic OSBot official scripts could be a good idea, to introduce some long term stability in the script market. I think most of the community will support your idea, as they have no real reason not to, the only people who are likely to oppose it are the scripters who's sales will be affected, I can imagine they won't be too happy. It will be interesting to hear their opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alek Posted April 22, 2017 Author Share Posted April 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, k9thebeast said: The OSBot dev team has the ability to make scripts, and say they make scripts. Just like you're allowed to make scripts and put that you are SDN manager on your scripts. Putting OSBot Official on your scripts is not the same thing and is the idea I am disagreeing with here. Quote and put that you are SDN manager on your scripts. When did I ever do this? Quote Putting OSBot Official on your scripts is not the same thing and is the idea I am disagreeing with here. Then how would you know which scripts are fully supported by the development team and will last as long as the bot lasts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9thebeast Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Alek said: When did I ever do this? Then how would you know which scripts are fully supported by the development team and will last as long as the bot lasts? 33 minutes ago, k9thebeast said: I'm just saying. Why should you be allowed to put "OSBot official" on your SDN scripts? Its like Trump putting "President Approved" on his hotels. You can put this on your scripts, im fine with this: fully supported by the development team and will last as long as the bot lasts Edited April 22, 2017 by k9thebeast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alek Posted April 22, 2017 Author Share Posted April 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, k9thebeast said: You can put this on your scripts, im fine with this: fully supported by the development team and will last as long as the bot lasts I'm not entirely sure what you're arguing against. Is it the term "OSBot Official Script", because that's exactly what the scripts would be. You would be buying the scripts directly from OSBot, not from a particular scripter. It's the difference between purchasing OEM car parts or computer parts versus aftermarket. Sometimes the aftermarket can be much better, but sometimes people just want guaranteed reliability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 i fucks with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkxor Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 I think scripts developed by OSBot team can also become outdated or flagged, so main question is if you can make them really flawless and low ban? Otherwise it will come to situation where users dont trust OSBot Official scripts that will be worse than now maybe (if even official scripts are not perfect then what can ask other scripters for?) Instead of developing scripts yourself, you can think of making system where users leaving feedback about script flawless and bannability (those who buy script, can vote once in a week for example while script is in subscription). Can keep feedback public and visible in store. Depending on last number of votes (for example, last 20 votes) can make script working status (Flawless/Bugged/NotWorking), script ban status (LowBan/AverageBan/HardBan) and script popularity status (ActivelyUsed/ModeratelyUsed/RarelyUsed, depending on hours of time users spent in script last day/week) indicators. Can add filters so users can apply filter to show only Flawless scripts or LowBan scripts and not need to visit forum, scroll thread to bottom and check what users write about this script. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alek Posted April 22, 2017 Author Share Posted April 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, darkxor said: I think scripts developed by OSBot team can also become outdated or flagged, so main question is if you can make them really flawless and low ban? Otherwise it will come to situation where users dont trust OSBot Official scripts that will be worse than now maybe (if even official scripts are not perfect then what can ask other scripters for?) Instead of developing scripts yourself, you can think of making system where users leaving feedback about script flawless and bannability (those who buy script, can vote once in a week for example while script is in subscription). Can keep feedback public and visible in store. Depending on last number of votes (for example, last 20 votes) can make script working status (Flawless/Bugged/NotWorking), script ban status (LowBan/AverageBan/HardBan) and script popularity status (ActivelyUsed/ModeratelyUsed/RarelyUsed, depending on hours of time users spent in script last day/week) indicators. Can add filters so users can apply filter to show only Flawless scripts or LowBan scripts and not need to visit forum, scroll thread to bottom and check what users write about this script. Well the difference is, is that any point someone like Khaleesi or Czar could leave and their scripts can break. At this point the customer is out of luck and would be forced to repurchase. It may seem like a crazy idea, but 5uck had a much bigger script presence than Czar and AT Team was much bigger than everyone here. Good idea on the feedback system, but unfortunately it can be incredibly flawed. Scripters sabatoge each other all the time; at some point there will be a "Vote broken for all Khaleesi's scripts for a free auth" program. Additionally what if the client has a broken hook and all the script users decide to flag it as broken? What if the botter is running 100 stolen accounts all on the same ip for that script, gets banned, then blames the script? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 U can release a fisher when i leave 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9thebeast Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Alek said: I'm not entirely sure what you're arguing against. Is it the term "OSBot Official Script", because that's exactly what the scripts would be. You would be buying the scripts directly from OSBot, not from a particular scripter. It's the difference between purchasing OEM car parts or computer parts versus aftermarket. Sometimes the aftermarket can be much better, but sometimes people just want guaranteed reliability. Then the dev team can make scripts. Thats a long way from an "OSBot Official Script" but rather, "A script produced by the dev team of osbot". "OSBot Official Script" is a term I do take offense if the developement team is monetarilly benefiting from these script sales. Also caveat emptor Edited April 22, 2017 by k9thebeast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9thebeast Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 (edited) I'll tell you what I would be alright with. You and the rest of the staff team decide on a price with the owners of OSBot (on a per month basis) for continuous updation of all osbot.org official scripts. These scripts would be free to users. Obviously the chances of this happening are 0, but hell it would make the owners more money long term... if they care. Edited April 22, 2017 by k9thebeast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alek Posted April 22, 2017 Author Share Posted April 22, 2017 26 minutes ago, k9thebeast said: Then the dev team can make scripts. Thats a long way from an "OSBot Official Script" but rather, "A script produced by the dev team of osbot". "OSBot Official Script" is a term I do take offense if the developement team is monetarilly benefiting from these script sales. Also caveat emptor Once again, the point of official scripts is to have the script forever because it's maintained by the company and not an individual. I don't think you're really understanding the difference. Edit: It also looks like you want OSBot to release completely free scripts which would not only hurt OSBot, but completely crash all the other scripts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9thebeast Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Alek said: Once again, the point of official scripts is to have the script forever because it's maintained by the company and not an individual. I don't think you're really understanding the difference. yea duh..... I dont think you are understanding what im saying.... My issue is you are injecting yourself and others of the dev team into the market and using your positions to grant you status to increase script sales that grant you money. I do not believe that you are purely doing this for altruistic reasons. If so you would have defined some terms in which you and the rest of the members of the staff team would be compensated fairly rather than completely for profit. Like @Czar and @Khaleesi you should be just as responsible for advertising and promoting your scripts and not using your position as a member of the OSBot team / SDN Manager to call your scripts "OSBot Verified". This goes for you and any future member of the dev team. If you are profitting off the scripts, they are your scripts. Edited April 22, 2017 by k9thebeast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9thebeast Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 My issue centers around Who proffits off these scripts, the initial release will get the most buyers, do you get the money? How is this fair to future maintainers of your script? Wont future maintainers continue to add features to increase sales since they didnt get the initial release payday? Who decides what scripts are released? Same point as above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
