No, just no. 

People get banned for breaking rules. That's the way it has always been. You must be very stupid if you need someone to explain that for you.

No, just no. 

People get banned for breaking rules. That's the way it has always been. You must be very stupid if you need someone to explain that for you.

 

We want the reason for which they was banned.

By the look of your profile you do no trades so this shouldn't concern you.

Yes, I definitely agree.

Personally I think that they should create a new usergroup for banned accounts, rather than using the ban option for accounts. I dislike that I can't view users profiles and see their feedback. The banned usergroup should be restricted from being able to post on the forums - not including an appeals section. This would also be (in my opinion) much neater for ban appeals. Rather than creating a new account to submit an appeal. Anyone could just go ahead and submit a ban appeal for a users account that isn't theirs as it stands.

It's been awhile since I've used IPBs acp, but if I remember correctly you can revoke privacy permissions on usergroups. If a new group was created, displaying an email publicly would be easy.

 

On another note (These are just my morals)

I think that users who do scam and are proven for it, should not be respected by the community or defended by staff members. To be more straight forward with what I want to get at here: I think that if somebody scam quits, we should be allowed to dox and harass that person without any consequences. I understand that this can't be encouraged. But I feel as if there should be no punishments for doing things like this.

 Support except for "we should be allowed to dox and harass that person without any consequences."

Yes, I definitely agree.

Personally I think that they should create a new usergroup for banned accounts, rather than using the ban option for accounts. I dislike that I can't view users profiles and see their feedback. The banned usergroup should be restricted from being able to post on the forums - not including an appeals section. This would also be (in my opinion) much neater for ban appeals. Rather than creating a new account to submit an appeal. Anyone could just go ahead and submit a ban appeal for a users account that isn't theirs as it stands.

It's been awhile since I've used IPBs acp, but if I remember correctly you can revoke privacy permissions on usergroups. If a new group was created, displaying an email publicly would be easy.

 

On another note (These are just my morals)

I think that users who do scam and are proven for it, should not be respected by the community or defended by staff members. To be more straight forward with what I want to get at here: I think that if somebody scam quits, we should be allowed to dox and harass that person without any consequences. I understand that this can't be encouraged. But I feel as if there should be no punishments for doing things like this.

 

You'd be no better than the scammer if you doxed/harassed him though. 

Yes, I definitely agree.

Personally I think that they should create a new usergroup for banned accounts, rather than using the ban option for accounts. I dislike that I can't view users profiles and see their feedback. The banned usergroup should be restricted from being able to post on the forums - not including an appeals section. This would also be (in my opinion) much neater for ban appeals. Rather than creating a new account to submit an appeal. Anyone could just go ahead and submit a ban appeal for a users account that isn't theirs as it stands.

It's been awhile since I've used IPBs acp, but if I remember correctly you can revoke privacy permissions on usergroups. If a new group was created, displaying an email publicly would be easy.

 

On another note (These are just my morals)

I think that users who do scam and are proven for it, should not be respected by the community or defended by staff members. To be more straight forward with what I want to get at here: I think that if somebody scam quits, we should be allowed to dox and harass that person without any consequences. I understand that this can't be encouraged. But I feel as if there should be no punishments for doing things like this.

 

Would be funny to have osbot light up someones social media after they've scam quit.

Why not? I said if they've been proven to scam.

I'd say it's more like an actual punishment for their crime

In real life if you get caught stealing, you're punished. On here, you're banned. You can just create a new account and re-scam.

If someone fucks with your real life, you'll be weary of scamming - no?

 

I also said it shouldn't be encouraged; just not punished.

 

Awfully incorrect. It'd be like an actual punishment from my eyes.

 

 

Yessir. Would be great to collaborate as a group lul

 

Not saying i disagree with you. I actually agree. However, me agreeing doesn't mean its acceptable by any means. What i was saying though is thats just the way it is. If you dox/harass a proven scammer, you'll be treated just as badly as they are. 

You'd be no better than the scammer if you doxed/harassed him though. 

 

A dox is a punishment.

If you ban me for punishing the person that scammed me, then you're are no better than the scammer. You're his accomplice in my eyes.

 

I know that's a pretty far stretch. And the rules right now on OSBot tell me it's bad to do that. But there's litterly no punishment for scammers right now

Edited November 25, 20169 yr by Zappster

To add on to the benefits of using a usergroup for bans, you can leave feedback after they're banned in case they've scammed you as well after being banned. 

I understand that currently you dispute them, but surely that's more work for mods handling an appeal than if there was feedback left.

 

That would open up the door for possible framing. Your usergroup idea though is a good one and i like that. 

A dox is a punishment.

If you ban me for punishing the person that scammed me, then you're are no better than the scammer. You're his accomplice in my eyes

 

Going by the "Moral standards" of society these days, it isn't acceptable. Like i said though, i do agree with what jackshow said. But there is no way that it will happen.

just ban scammers before they scam

/s

just ban scammers before they scam

/s

 

Good idea

If they are banned don't trade them, this just seems like a waste of time and public bashing people.

If they are banned don't trade them, this just seems like a waste of time and public bashing people.

 

Well if that's where you stand then you may aswell lock this thread. Plenty of people have pledged support and I'm all out of arguments for now.

Support. Why should we not be able to access that information? 

I'm currently studying law in the Netherlands and I might give you an answer to your question.

I've looked in my bible of laws and found the law which corresponds with this topic.

 

In 2000 the law "Wet op bescherming persoonsgegevens" has been introduced in the dutch law, therefor every aspect of information which leads to revealing someone's identity is called "persoongegeven" or english termed persons credentials.

Every site, company etc has a "informatieplicht", which basically means that OSBot is not allowed to publicly post anyone's details, in this case a persons e-mail adress, without their consent. OSBot is allowed to post these, if the user in question, agrees to these the terms of conditions. Users who have been banned have also the right, by law, to remove all their credentials on OSBot if they wish to do so.

 

Hope this clarifies it a bit.

I'm currently studying law in the Netherlands and I might give you an answer to your question.

I've looked in my bible of laws and found the law which corresponds with this topic.

 

In 2000 the law "Wet op bescherming persoonsgegevens" has been introduced in the dutch law, therefor every aspect of information which leads to revealing someone's identity is called "persoongegeven" or english termed persons credentials.

Every site, company etc has a "informatieplicht", which basically means that OSBot is not allowed to publicly post anyone's details, in this case a persons e-mail adress, without their consent. OSBot is allowed to post these, if the user in question, agrees to these the terms of conditions. Users who have been banned have also the right, by law, to remove all their credentials on OSBot if they wish to do so.

 

Hope this clarifies it a bit.

 

So if this was added to the ToS this would be allowed? Still would need OSBot's lawyer to go over it, but with the way things are looking it looks like Maldesto does not want to go ahead with this idea.

 

Thanks for taking the time to research this.