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I play rs recreationally, and was using osbot on and off when I first started. Ended up getting a couple bans and decided to give up botting on any account I'm not willing to lose.

However, I was drawn back in and decided to write scripts (they're actually macros, but much more complex than a mouse recorder) that utilize the regular vanilla client/osb/runelite. Throughout my testing, I've come to the conclusion that in the vast majority of cases, it is not the fault of the script that gets you banned, it's simply because Jagex can detect bot clients/injection. I suicided 99 mining on an alt account over the last two weeks, and my script broke many times while I was perfecting it, sending my character walking in circles and scanning the screen for images/pixels/coordinates that weren't there. I was reported probably 50 times, and people let me know. I was running the script 12-18 hours a day on some days, and yet I did not get even a temp ban. 

To risk making a bold statement, I don't claim to be the first to have used this method, but I do believe I have developed scripts that completely, 100% beat jagex's bot detection system.

I would like to monetize/sell scripts or services, or perhaps learn how to run virtual machines so I can run multiple accounts per computer. Is there a way to use proxies while using a vanilla client? Anyway, it's not so simple to sell my scripts because the framework/language my scripts are developed in use absolute screen coordinates to click on certain things in many cases. In other cases, it searches for an image or a pixel to then click on, but it does not look like a mouse recorder on Jagex's end because I randomized delays and coordinates by x number of pixels. Because of this, people using different resolution screens would have to edit every coordinate to make the scripts functional. This is the main reason on why I am asking for help on how to make money from my scripts.

 

If anyone has any ideas, or perhaps wants to form a partnership, I am open to that and I appreciate any advice.

So far these are the functional scripts I have written:

Barbarian Fishing (Flawless)

NMZ (Extremely good, keeps hp at 1, auto overloads, can use any combat style)

Mining/Banking Iron Ore (Very good script, but occasionally a random event can break it). I mined 400k iron ore, made 70 mil suiciding one acct with this script to 99.

Construction: Making Oak Larders (Good script, breaks occasionally but that's okay because you're in your own house)

Magic scripts: Spin Flax, Superglass Make, Alch, Alch/Tele, Stun/Alch, etc were all very easy to make. Any bankstanding script can be made in 20 minutes with my method.

Cleaning Herbs/Unf Potions/Finished Potions

Fletching Longbows/Adding bowstrings

Crafting any type of jewelry (currently suiciding an account, making gold bracelets to 99. At 80 right now)

Smithing Dart Tips

Thieving Fruit Stand

Cooking Wines, Rogues Den

Scripts that need work (break too much): Blast Furnace and Runecrafting Mud Runes

 

tl;dr I'm writing macro scripts, accumulating a large library and need advice on how to make real money. So far, I'm just farming gold and leveling accounts I plan on selling. But that's chump change compared to selling the scripts themselves. I'm also open on suggestions for which scripts I should make next!

Thanks for reading.

Edited for grammar/wording.

 

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26 minutes ago, brayden921 said:

Well this seems interesting. 

Thanks for your interest. Hopefully I can get something off the ground, because although I have been doing this for a few months just for my own use, I have been getting the feeling that not trying to capitalize on this would be a waste. Especially with the influx of mobile users, this is a very healthy game, and there is money to be made here.  The funny thing is that I by no means consider myself a programmer, although I know html/css to a degree, I have never developed software, and when I look at scripts on this site I think "Yeah I can't do that." My system is simplistic compared to developing within the osbot api. If I can do this, any nerdy 90's kid can do this.

 

Editing to add second paragraph: 

And that makes me want to add a point. I don't claim my scripts are better than the ones on the market. In fact, they're probably considerably worse than most of these official osbot scripts. However, they get the job done. And they are extremely safe in comparison. I'll never be able to write a script for Zulrah, for example. But I can still do many things. I don't want to step on anyone's toes. You all are doing great work. But I know for a fact that Jagex has the ability to detect bot clients, so if you want to bot a more simple activity that can be done using a normal client, you should opt for the normal client.

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3 minutes ago, FrostBug said:

I put on my robe and tinfoil hat :xboge:

? Are you suggesting that I'm a roleplaying conspiracy theorist? Lol. By the way, check the edit on my last reply. People like you do great work, and using this software, I could never write a script to do say, fight caves. Barrows might be possible but would be a huge challenge. I know you think I might be bullshitting you, or that maybe I got just got lucky by not getting banned, but I've also been using these scripts on my main, and have gotten 99 magic, 95 crafting, 90 fletching, etc. And I will continue to suicide alts just to prove that its nearly impossible to catch a ban doing this.

I remember coming across a thread awhile back on this forum from a guy who used a simplistic auto clicker to get 200m thieving xp on ardy knights while his other acct splashed. He even got reported directly to jmods on twitter and he still never got a ban. It definitely supported my theory that botting with the vanilla clients are exponentially more safe. Anyway, you're definitely someone with experience in this industry. I'd happily take any advice if you have any.

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2 hours ago, fredmeep said:

To risk making a bold statement, I don't claim to be the first to have used this method, but I do believe I have developed scripts that completely, 100% beat jagex's bot detection system.

If only it were this easy!

I've experimented with similar ideas to this, for example (a couple of years ago now) I wrote an NMZ script that used hard-coded relative co-ordinates to flick rapid heal and sip potions. This worked really well and none of the accounts that used this have since been banned, but that doesn't mean that the system is ban proof; A couple of accounts is nowhere near a suitable sample size to act as evidence for such a statement.

A friend of mine wrote software which uses a similar idea to this, except using tensorflow to recognise game object bounding boxes. This meant the script can work at a wide range of camera angles. He built a simple bankstanding moneymaking script and within a week he was banned for macroing.

It is far far easier to detect bot behaviour than it is to replicate human behaviour - the most advanced machine learning AI blockchain enabled (throw in some more buzz words here) bot can be foiled by some very primitive data mining techniques.

I'm glad that you've had success with your system so far, but I think it is a little brave to assume you are safe from being banned altogether. Nevertheless, good luck!

Apa

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2 hours ago, fredmeep said:

? Are you suggesting that I'm a roleplaying conspiracy theorist? Lol. By the way, check the edit on my last reply. People like you do great work, and using this software, I could never write a script to do say, fight caves. Barrows might be possible but would be a huge challenge. I know you think I might be bullshitting you, or that maybe I got just got lucky by not getting banned, but I've also been using these scripts on my main, and have gotten 99 magic, 95 crafting, 90 fletching, etc. And I will continue to suicide alts just to prove that its nearly impossible to catch a ban doing this.

I remember coming across a thread awhile back on this forum from a guy who used a simplistic auto clicker to get 200m thieving xp on ardy knights while his other acct splashed. He even got reported directly to jmods on twitter and he still never got a ban. It definitely supported my theory that botting with the vanilla clients are exponentially more safe. Anyway, you're definitely someone with experience in this industry. I'd happily take any advice if you have any.

Naw, but there isn't really any proof to support the theory either. Macroing with mouse-tools has been tried many times; I remember back when @The Hero of Time was making similar claims, that is, until he eventually did get banned.
Though let's say that there's something to it; how come color based clients aren't widespread anymore? They used to be. Surely they wouldn't have died out if it was 100% undetected. And what about mirror mode? People still get bans using it

I'd say jagex rely mainly on big data and machine learning to find patterns. Maybe they do detect client modifications, but if they do, I think it's just 1 parameter that is considered, among many.

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not that I know a single thing about botting (last time I even botted was over 2 years ago, i know w.t.f am I even doing here?) but o.t. I feel it also depends on how many other people out there have used the bot as well so they can match patterns that they've previously caught like a really over used smelting bot or etc etc with any bit of flaws I feel the more likely you are to survive than with a perfect bot

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1 hour ago, Apaec said:

If only it were this easy!

I've experimented with similar ideas to this, for example (a couple of years ago now) I wrote an NMZ script that used hard-coded relative co-ordinates to flick rapid heal and sip potions. This worked really well and none of the accounts that used this have since been banned, but that doesn't mean that the system is ban proof; A couple of accounts is nowhere near a suitable sample size to act as evidence for such a statement.

A friend of mine wrote software which uses a similar idea to this, except using tensorflow to recognise game object bounding boxes. This meant the script can work at a wide range of camera angles. He built a simple bankstanding moneymaking script and within a week he was banned for macroing.

It is far far easier to detect bot behaviour than it is to replicate human behaviour - the most advanced machine learning AI blockchain enabled (throw in some more buzz words here) bot can be foiled by some very primitive data mining techniques.

I'm glad that you've had success with your system so far, but I think it is a little brave to assume you are safe from being banned altogether. Nevertheless, good luck!

Apa

I agree with everything you're saying and I think I gave the false impression of being so foolhardy to think what I'm doing is 100% ban proof. Again, I know I didn't stumble on some novel. amazing method, and that in reality, I'm using methods that, although the software is modern, the methods of using color hex codes and absolute coordinates are really, really old. I remember those back in the day. My software has all that old stuff, with some nice, more modern things like the ability to take a snapshot, and use if/then commands to scan an area of the screen for something that looks similar to the snapshot. That's how the script finds the overload in the inventory during nmz, for example.

 

I don't mean to say these scripts, or any scripts, are completely ban proof. But as far as I can tell, by suiciding 2 accounts and using bots on my main, to the point of actively trying to get people to report me, I think it beats the automatic detection system. I think if my accounts were to be manually reviewed, it is likely they could be banned. But as far as I can tell, considering the vast number of people who have told me they're reporting me, and probably a good number of people who reported me without telling me, I really do think that this beats the automated system. Jagex has 2 staff dedicated to anti-cheating as far as I can tell. And god knows how many reports are processed every day. The vast majority are just run through their automatic system, and after my testing, I'm willing to believe that in its current state, it is beatable. 

 

So basically, I do not claim that I've successfully emulated human behavior. Just that, Jagex is too busy to really look into it manually. If you can beat the automatic system, you're 99% safe in my opinion. Your friend using tensorflow was using a vanilla client, I assume. Without any injection or giving any weird server-side inputs that would flag something? 

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1 hour ago, Jordy said:

not that I know a single thing about botting (last time I even botted was over 2 years ago, i know w.t.f am I even doing here?) but o.t. I feel it also depends on how many other people out there have used the bot as well so they can match patterns that they've previously caught like a really over used smelting bot or etc etc with any bit of flaws I feel the more likely you are to survive than with a perfect bot

Yeah it's pretty much the consensus that free scripts are riskier for this reason, and private scripts are the safest. But I am hesitant to believe that Jagex's two anti-cheat specialists really use their time to collect and analyze huge swaths of data to develop new ways to catch people quicker. I think the vast majority of their time is spent checking reports and looking into ban appeals and trying to stay afloat. It's my hunch that private scripts are only the safest because a free and widely used script means the area will be heavily botted, attracting more attention, making it a riskier thing. But I could be talking out of my ass on this one.

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57 minutes ago, FrostBug said:

Naw, but there isn't really any proof to support the theory either. Macroing with mouse-tools has been tried many times; I remember back when @The Hero of Time was making similar claims, that is, until he eventually did get banned.
Though let's say that there's something to it; how come color based clients aren't widespread anymore? They used to be. Surely they wouldn't have died out if it was 100% undetected. And what about mirror mode? People still get bans using it

I'd say jagex rely mainly on big data and machine learning to find patterns. Maybe they do detect client modifications, but if they do, I think it's just 1 parameter that is considered, among many.

I don't disagree with you except to say that I am hesitant to believe Jagex is on the forefront of machine learning. If I were a betting man, I'd say their cheat specialists are swamped and barely stay afloat processing reports and ban appeals. I too remember when color based bots were the norm. And that they are quite dated. Also, I'm not really sure why they died out. I do know Jagex sometimes changes colors slightly to fuck with bots, so that's one argument against them. Fortunately I rarely use hex #s to find pixels. because I'm afforded the ability to take a snapshot of an image, set a co efficiency factor (identical->similar) and if (image found) / then move (x,y) etc. I'm able to avoid using absolute coordinates and colors a lot this way. 

 

I don't mean these are impervious to bans. Only that after botting roughly 42 million exp over 3 accounts on two computers in the last 4 weeks, I think this method can beat the automatic bot detection that triggers when you are reported. If my bots were manually reviewed, they could potentially be banned. I'll be sure to check out the hero of time and see if I can learn from Link's experience.

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19 hours ago, fredmeep said:

I play rs recreationally, and was using osbot on and off when I first started. Ended up getting a couple bans and decided to give up botting on any account I'm not willing to lose.

However, I was drawn back in and decided to write scripts (they're actually macros, but much more complex than a mouse recorder) that utilize the regular vanilla client/osb/runelite. Throughout my testing, I've come to the conclusion that in the vast majority of cases, it is not the fault of the script that gets you banned, it's simply because Jagex can detect bot clients/injection. I suicided 99 mining on an alt account over the last two weeks, and my script broke many times while I was perfecting it, sending my character walking in circles and scanning the screen for images/pixels/coordinates that weren't there. I was reported probably 50 times, and people let me know. I was running the script 12-18 hours a day on some days, and yet I did not get even a temp ban. 

To risk making a bold statement, I don't claim to be the first to have used this method, but I do believe I have developed scripts that completely, 100% beat jagex's bot detection system.

I would like to monetize/sell scripts or services, or perhaps learn how to run virtual machines so I can run multiple accounts per computer. Is there a way to use proxies while using a vanilla client? Anyway, it's not so simple to sell my scripts because the framework/language my scripts are developed in use absolute screen coordinates to click on certain things in many cases. In other cases, it searches for an image or a pixel to then click on, but it does not look like a mouse recorder on Jagex's end because I randomized delays and coordinates by x number of pixels. Because of this, people using different resolution screens would have to edit every coordinate to make the scripts functional. This is the main reason on why I am asking for help on how to make money from my scripts.

 

If anyone has any ideas, or perhaps wants to form a partnership, I am open to that and I appreciate any advice.

So far these are the functional scripts I have written:

Barbarian Fishing (Flawless)

NMZ (Extremely good, keeps hp at 1, auto overloads, can use any combat style)

Mining/Banking Iron Ore (Very good script, but occasionally a random event can break it). I mined 400k iron ore, made 70 mil suiciding one acct with this script to 99.

Construction: Making Oak Larders (Good script, breaks occasionally but that's okay because you're in your own house)

Magic scripts: Spin Flax, Superglass Make, Alch, Alch/Tele, Stun/Alch, etc were all very easy to make. Any bankstanding script can be made in 20 minutes with my method.

Cleaning Herbs/Unf Potions/Finished Potions

Fletching Longbows/Adding bowstrings

Crafting any type of jewelry (currently suiciding an account, making gold bracelets to 99. At 80 right now)

Smithing Dart Tips

Thieving Fruit Stand

Cooking Wines, Rogues Den

Scripts that need work (break too much): Blast Furnace and Runecrafting Mud Runes

 

tl;dr I'm writing macro scripts, accumulating a large library and need advice on how to make real money. So far, I'm just farming gold and leveling accounts I plan on selling. But that's chump change compared to selling the scripts themselves. I'm also open on suggestions for which scripts I should make next!

Thanks for reading.

Edited for grammar/wording.

 

Another botting website already does this, sorry to ruin it mate 

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17 hours ago, Robin Williams said:

Another botting website already does this, sorry to ruin it mate 

Like I said, I don't claim to have developed some novel, revolutionary method. In fact, I got my inspiration from someone on youtube, but I've taken it a lot farther than him. Most of my methods are similar to methods that were popularized 10 years ago and are pretty outdated today. But the fact is that Jagex simply doesn't really look for these methods anymore. They are more focused on bot farms that use the main botting clients. I'm not surprised that other people are using the same methods I use. But take, for example, my barbarian fishing script. It uses the vanilla client. It checks every 10 seconds to see if you are still fishing. If you are still fishing, it waits another 10 seconds. If you are not fishing, it stabilizes the camera angle and searches for a new fishing spot. It checks to see if your inventory is full. If it isn't it will click the new fishing spot. If it is, it will shift-drop the 27 fish and then click the new fishing spot, and repeat ad-infinitum. I doubt that there are many other people using macro programs and shitty mouse recorders to write multi-dimensional scripts like that, but I am sure there are a few people out there.

 

Can you point me in the direction of this website you're talking about though? I really want to see it. If you don't want to post it, pm me. I'll pm you right now, just respond with the link please.

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