is it even possible to bot F2P?

[TriBait]

i have never had problems botting pay to play , but when it comes to f2p , my god the account gets banned the next day with like 2 hours of botting , why is it that they can detect and ban so quickly , doesn't this just mean that there detection system is almost impossible to beat? and the only reason people last longer on pay to play is cause jagex is actually just collecting your money till they decide to ban you? i still have my main account that got a 2 day ban after i got 1800 total level , so really my question is has anyone ever succeeded in botting f2p? like not 99's but just all f2p stats to atleast level 50? 40? 

[Juggles]

Why would you bot in F2P?
Costs $2.5 every 14 days to bot in members and it is way safer. 
Instead of buying that starbucks coffee one day, use it on a bond. 
Botting any acc you care about is stupid, botting any account you care about in F2P is idiotic. 

Sorry for being rude but I don't want you to get your acc banned :-) Bot smart and good luck friend 

[daamurda]

I've gotten 60 str at cows in f2p thats about as high as ill go there. Like juggles said p2p is the way to go

[TriBait]

18 minutes ago, Juggles said:

Why would you bot in F2P?
Costs $2.5 every 14 days to bot in members and it is way safer. 
Instead of buying that starbucks coffee one day, use it on a bond. 
Botting any acc you care about is stupid, botting any account you care about in F2P is idiotic. 

Sorry for being rude but I don't want you to get your acc banned Bot smart and good luck friend 

oh yeah i understand that all these accounts i botted on were newly created with a resting period of 2 weeks just level 3's i would never bot my main on f2p , it already has a 2 day ban , i stopped botting on it completely , my question is why it is so easy for them to detect bots on f2p even if you bot safely 

[dragonite3000]

I've botted 70/70/70 at cows, so it is indeed possible.

[TriBait]

37 minutes ago, Juggles said:

Why would you bot in F2P?
Costs $2.5 every 14 days to bot in members and it is way safer. 
Instead of buying that starbucks coffee one day, use it on a bond. 
Botting any acc you care about is stupid, botting any account you care about in F2P is idiotic. 

Sorry for being rude but I don't want you to get your acc banned Bot smart and good luck friend 

someone gave me this answer 

 

While no theory has been proven, the most likely reason for this phenomenon is use of Regression Analysis.

Statistical regression is a tool that you can use to determine the relationship between variables. In this case, it would be a singular regression, where you have many factors (x variables), and a single probability factor (y variable).

These kind of models are used to make predictions, and are heavily used in artificial intelligence. The actual methodology has been around for ages, though.

Given the seemingly vast number of factors that contribute to getting banned, we can suspect that Jagex uses some form of this technique to determine probability of any account being a bot. Without such a methodology, it's unlikely Jagex would be able to account for so many variables.

Therefore, we can look at this problem with "Is F2P" as one of our X variables (factors) and assume there are a bunch of other, unknown, variables. Now, let's examine what effect "Is F2P" might have on the Y variable (probability of being a bot). Well, if you look at it, most brand new f2p accounts are bots (let's disregard the mobile surge). Therefore, if "Is F2P" is actually an X variable, we know that being f2p automatically puts you closer to a ban. But, of course, you don't get instabanned for creating an F2P account, so we can say for certain that this variable puts us above their "acceptance threshold" (a term we can used to describe the point at which Jagex considers the account to be a bot).

At this point, we can assume since we are seeing fewer p2p bans, the "Is F2P" factor certainly is weighted heavily enough that it affects our position relative to the acceptance threshold. This means that these other unknown X variables are at such a value that it exceeds the threshold when "Is F2P" is true, and doesn't exceed the threshold when it's not true.

Of course, you can say "why would Jagex use membership as an X variable? Couldn't they just apply the same determination for both p2p and f2p, and catch all the bots?". The answer is maybe. It's likely that Jagex wants to prevent false positives at all cost. False positives for paying customers are VERY BAD for business. Jagex could be afraid of overtuning their system, which is valid, because not only would it hurt them severely, it would help us better determine how it works.

This opens the question of "Can there be false positive bans, then?". And I would say yes, on f2p. I've heard a few reports from multiple people that doing tut island really fast and walking to the GE can get you banned even if you weren't botting. That alone points heavily to the use of statistical regression, in the form of Least Common Denominator detection. More importantly, I bet you wouldn't be able to trigger this system if you made the account p2p before starting tut island. I'm not entirely sure if that's true, but it would certainly further my point.

If you want a real life example, then let's say you're standing in your house. Probably pretty safe, right? Now let's say I come over and push you. Eh, you'll probably be fine. Now let's say you're standing near a cliff, perhaps sightseeing. You'd most likely be safe. But what if I come and push you then? Decent chance it will end badly. To relate this to our discussion, think of being f2p as being near a cliff, and think of botting as my push, and think of bans as the act of falling to your death.

[PantiesDown]

8 minutes ago, TriBait said:

If you want a real life example, then let's say you're standing in your house. Probably pretty safe, right? Now let's say I come over and push you. Eh, you'll probably be fine. Now let's say you're standing near a cliff, perhaps sightseeing. You'd most likely be safe. But what if I come and push you then? Decent chance it will end badly. To relate this to our discussion, think of being f2p as being near a cliff, and think of botting as my push, and think of bans as the act of falling to your death.

Damn that metaphor

[will_of_fire]

less methods possible in f2p so they can monitor those more closely along with with others mentioned

[lukey372]

I've gotten a large chunk of my accounts to atleast 50/50/50 before making them members and farming chaos druids > green drags

[Planet]

On 11/16/2018 at 12:56 AM, lukey372 said:

I've gotten a large chunk of my accounts to atleast 50/50/50 before making them members and farming chaos druids > green drags

What's the likelyhood of being PK'd at druids?

[lukey372]

10 minutes ago, Planet said:

What's the likelyhood of being PK'd at druids?

Pretty low @Molly has some goood anti pking setup

[extatus]

Profit margins are too low to even bother. Why would u?

[PKDealer]

f2p sucks if u are not botting an army of accounts, just do p2p