so they cant create new acc, not even with proxy, vpn, anything (if its possible) 

I think you mean MAC Banned?

I think you mean MAC Banned?

MAC bans are the easiest thing to circumvent ever. Google it haha

Not really sure if you actually read the thread or are just posting off seeing the title. The feedback wipe would ONLY happen if the osbot team knows 100% that it was this person who scammed and this person pays back what they scammed. Like I said above, this does not include people who were hacked, a worker who scams, or anyone else scamming through your account.

This is purely for those people who are already proven to have scammed on their own account and they decide to refund the victim at a later date. I doubt many people are going to be interested in paying money back for a scam where they were falsely banned by the staff. It's more likely that they will appeal the ban before issuing any refund.

This is not a suggestion that feedback wipes should happen in place of a ban. Please go back and actually read the thread before posting, but I'll thank you anyway for your constructive criticism.

I did read the entire OP in addition to the title, so I'm not exactly sure what you're on about, but if you just stopped for a minute to actually read my post and try to understand the points that I'm trying to get across, then you may be able to understand where I'm coming from.

Nowhere did I state that people get hacked or framed or anything so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

No.

I did read the entire OP in addition to the title, so I'm not exactly sure what you're on about, but if you just stopped for a minute to actually read my post and try to understand the points that I'm trying to get across, then you may be able to understand where I'm coming from.

Nowhere did I state that people get hacked or framed or anything so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

 

I responded to every single point you made in your post with a solution. Again, you seem to see one thing in a post and just focus on that. The hack/frame speil was only to reiterate the point I made in the OP in that you will not be feedback wiped for that.

 

You also seemed to believe that I am suggesting this should take the place of bans, which is not even close to what the OP is saying.

 

However, I do understand what you are saying in that it is possible for osbot to falsely ban someone. This would be a problem if their feedback were to be wiped. This is why I said that it should be a 100% chance that this was the person who scammed before a feedback wipe occurred (As in they confess, indisputable proof is given, etc.)

 

Varc posted a really nice counter type idea where feedback would be hidden and a market block would be put on your account for a certain period of time. Would you agree with the Varc's idea?

 

Edit: Just to clarify this for you, the only way a feedback wipe would occur is if the person was banned and decided later on to refund whatever they scammed. There will be no feedback wipe prior to the ban on this person's osbot account.

Edited July 7, 201510 yr by Stixx

I actually think a good method would be to place the user in TWC (if they were to refund and return) and put a complete market block on them, no access to the market section whatsoever, for a period decided by the mods. Temporary removal of their feedback for this duration so alls they have is a TWC PiP + Market ban PiP alongside it. Also a negative feedback so when they are allowed back into the market people will see there feedback but know they did indeed scam at some point even if they did refund. 

 

What i'm talking about is a bit different to you, but i still think it would be a good thing to implement, if possible of course.

 

This isn't possible to my knowledge.

This isn't possible to my knowledge.

Really? But you guys can do the 100 posts thing for accounts, I'm sure you could just block view permissions for the TWC usergroup.

Really? But you guys can do the 100 posts thing for accounts, I'm sure you could just block view permissions for the TWC usergroup.

 

Not sure you quite understand what @Varc was suggesting =\

"and put a complete market block on them, no access to the market section whatsoever, for a period decided by the mods. Temporary removal of their feedback for this duration so alls they have is a TWC PiP + Market ban PiP alongside it."

First part is perfectly feasibly but the second part of this I feel is impossible as you would need to remove the feedback then reinstate it by re-rolling forums back to a previous stage. Absolutely impossible unless someone can enlighten me on some other altternative method.

"and put a complete market block on them, no access to the market section whatsoever, for a period decided by the mods. Temporary removal of their feedback for this duration so alls they have is a TWC PiP + Market ban PiP alongside it."

First part is perfectly feasibly but the second part of this I feel is impossible as you would need to remove the feedback then reinstate it by re-rolling forums back to a previous stage. Absolutely impossible unless someone can enlighten me on some other altternative method.

 

Yep, you can restrict them from seeing the market section but the temporary feedback removal thing and alternative forms of it such as removal of public's visibility of user's feedback both aren't doable from what I know.

I responded to every single point you made in your post with a solution. Again, you seem to see one thing in a post and just focus on that. The hack/frame speil was only to reiterate the point I made in the OP in that you will not be feedback wiped for that.

You also seemed to believe that I am suggesting this should take the place of bans, which is not even close to what the OP is saying.

However, I do understand what you are saying in that it is possible for osbot to falsely ban someone. This would be a problem if their feedback were to be wiped. This is why I said that it should be a 100% chance that this was the person who scammed before a feedback wipe occurred (As in they confess, indisputable proof is given, etc.)

Varc posted a really nice counter type idea where feedback would be hidden and a market block would be put on your account for a certain period of time. Would you agree with the Varc's idea?

Edit: Just to clarify this for you, the only way a feedback wipe would occur is if the person was banned and decided later on to refund whatever they scammed. There will be no feedback wipe prior to the ban on this person's osbot account.

If what Varc suggested were possible, it would already be in effect.

There are people who refund users because they want to come back and not because they scammed. I'd be all for this idea if we could tell who actually wants to scam and who didn't, but that won't work, unfortunately. You haven't been around for as long as I have and you didn't see the screw ups that staff has made. If they f up and completely wipe someone's feedback, that's basically a death blow to some users and will affect them greatly.

You still don't understand what I'm trying to say, but you think you do and you're completely wrong with your assumption. You think you know what I'm trying to get across and are making an argument at that but what I'm saying and what you think I'm saying are two totally different things.

If we lived in a world were people could read others minds and intentions, this would be a great idea - even though at that point a ban would be an even better solution - but we don't and there's only a handful of times when we actually know what's going on. Most of the time, users are either falsely blamed or accused and everyone is believing them to be a scammer.

"and put a complete market block on them, no access to the market section whatsoever, for a period decided by the mods. Temporary removal of their feedback for this duration so alls they have is a TWC PiP + Market ban PiP alongside it."

First part is perfectly feasibly but the second part of this I feel is impossible as you would need to remove the feedback then reinstate it by re-rolling forums back to a previous stage. Absolutely impossible unless someone can enlighten me on some other altternative method.

Theres no option to temporarily remove fb. If you were ever staff then you'd know. When you remove fb, there's literally one option and that's delete. Once it's deleted, it's deleted. No way to undo that action. It's not like a deleted post or a banned account or a name chance. Fb is one of those things that the action is permanent and there's no way to undo it. Only way to technically undo it is to re-give the fb and, if the user isn't available to, is out of the question.

This isn't possible to my knowledge.

 

Ahh i doubted it would be, would be good if it could be but the mods and devs can only use what they have at their disposal

hang em all

 

questions later 

i feel like u should be permed but its still a good idea

 

If you scam, you should just be perm banned from the site with no chance of return. If you feel bad after doing so and want to repay the user, feel free but you should still stay banned.

 

+1 to this, scammers do not deserve second chances. That should be a good enough deter to stop scammers, especially high profile scammers.