Forward, unto the new dawn.

[Deffiliate]

So I just got OSD, it's something i've been excited for and one of my main goals since joining OSBot. I thought this day would be amazing and glorious, but there's something wrong. Everyday I get on the forums to see my fellow botters falling left and right, getting Pwned by Jagex. Jagex has been fucking us up for over a year, but we've finally hit a point where botting is just no longer viable. I fear we've come to the end of the road. I've lost all hope </3

 

I think our community needs to step up and answer these questions:

 

When will botters fight back?

What is our retaliation plan?

 - Who will lead us into the next era of botting?

 

Until then OSBot 2 and everything else we're doing here is pointless. If we're going to answer these questions and come up with a serious plan of attack then the community needs to come together and form a group of people dedicated to answering these questions. I also think our community admins/mods need to get more involved in these matters too, and lead us to find answers.

 

The 3 main types of detection:

 

Account-Profiling:

 - This is when Jagex takes a look at your actions over an extended period of time, and looks to see how realistic it is. If you create an account and immediately send it to pick flax for 2 weeks after leaving tut island you'll look like an obvious bot. Therefore, an account with a higher total-level and more quests will suffer from a lower ban-rate than a nooby looking account (Not to say that this will entirely diminish bans)

 

Script profiling:

 - This concerns how your script behaves each time it runs. Similarities in the path it walks, the way the mouse moves, how repetitive your actions are, etc. Basically, if every script runs the same on each client, then they will all behave similarly.

 

IP profiling:

- This is the simplest of the detection methods, and is used to flag all accounts played from a known botting IP address.

 

Tested methods:

 

 - More human-like mouse algorithm - Projects lead by The Dream team (Noto and dream) and some other ppl. - Projects yielded beautiful results, but were in-effective in effecting bans.

 

Possible Counter-Measures:

Anti Account-Profiling  || Anti Script-Profiling

 

 - Script scheduler -In development by devs apparently

 Botters will be able to be able to create a schedule for which scripts to run and for how long. This way your bot can perform many activities throughout the day instead of just 1 task.

 

 - Web walking -In development by devs apparently

 Currently in order to make a script walk you've got to provide a list of tiles that the script uses as a path to follow. This is great for creating a quick path to get somewhere, but opens up a vunerability for Jagex to recognize the pattern we take each time (Even if this path is somewhat randomized ea time).  With web-walking, we'd create the path to and from the destination dynamically ea time, opening up an infinite amount of paths you could take to and from your destination. With this we-walking i'd like to see it capable of not only the most efficient route, but also wandering from the most efficient path at times.

 

 - Unique botting profiles -Idea proposed by myself and used on other sites in the past (RID)

 Each botter would receive a uniqu botting profile. This profile would contain many characteristics including reaction time, mouse speed, how often you AFK etc. These factors would then be accounted for in the OSBot API, so that way EVERY script performs differntly based on that profile.

 

-NEW - Custom reaction times.

I believe that most scripts have a large flaw in the way they determine the state of the script. This is because usually as SOON as a condition is met for as task we will execute that method. My proposal is that we craete a sort of Task Management System which will mimic how often a player pays attention to each task, so it won't necessarily notice the npcs as soon as they're ready to attack.

 

-NEW - Defence System

If we are to make any big strives in technology i also think it's wise to protect our tech from Jagex because im sure they could see what we're doing...

 

 

Edited October 7, 2014 by Deffiliate

[Eliot]

You act us if botting is impossible, it's far from it. 

 

Edited June 3, 2014 by Eliot

[Deffiliate]

You act us if botting is impossible, it's far from it. 

I never said that. It's very easy to bot , and it's also very easy to get banned.

 

Please, don't even TRY to act like jagex isn't ass-fucking us right now. They ban us by the masses.

I know plenty of gold-farmers that can lo longer profit from botting (And these are the smart ones, that have botted since the beginning and know how to bot smart). I also know plenty of people that only bot their mains a few hours a day max, and even they are being banned.

Edited June 3, 2014 by Deffiliate

[Realist]

Okay come up with something that will stop the bans @Deffiliate pls

[Apaec]

I suggest we raid jagex hq in cambridge?

[Fantabulous]

I dont think anybody knows what they changed to their bot ban system..

[Eliot]

I never said that. It's very easy to bot , and it's also very easy to get banned.

 

Please, don't even TRY to act like jagex isn't ass-fucking us right now. They ban us by the masses.

I've still never been banned, oh well, lucky me.

[Deffiliate]

I've still never been banned, oh well, lucky me.

Well then, you'd be in the minority. So good for you. Go ahead and make a poll if you want to see how badly Jagex is whooping our ass. And that won't even include the people that have already left OSBot because they can't stand being banned any longer. If you want to continue living in denial go ahead.

 

 

I dont think anybody knows what they changed to their bot ban system..

Correct! So this would be our first question. How can we beat a system that we know barely anything about. There are theories on how they catch us, but until we test those theories we'll never know.

 

Okay come up with something that will stop the bans @Deffiliate pls

I've posted many suggestions in the past. 1 sec lemme find the link to the last topic i made asking for ideas and posting mine....

 

 

I suggest we raid jagex hq in cambridge?

Damn good suggestion. I've thought of it countless times ;P

[Hopeless Inc]

Dat botting revolution hype, I'm in!

[boizero]

I doubt OSBot would sponsor membership cost for regular members like myself to test ways of getting banned. Also, as far as I've found, the biggest part of the mystery lies somewhere in the randomness. We have all booted for extended periods of time with no ban (or at least a delayed one). Most of us that have been banned have also botted tiny amounts on a reliable script and proxy, yet still have been banned in these optimal conditions. Botting on 07 is not quite at the hopeless stage, though, in my opinion. Botting on RS3 is at the hopeless stage...

[Deffiliate]

I doubt OSBot would sponsor membership cost for regular members like myself to test ways of getting banned. Also, as far as I've found, the biggest part of the mystery lies somewhere in the randomness. We have all booted for extended periods of time with no ban (or at least a delayed one). Most of us that have been banned have also botted tiny amounts on a reliable script and proxy, yet still have been banned in these optimal conditions. Botting on 07 is not quite at the hopeless stage, though, in my opinion. Botting on RS3 is at the hopeless stage...

Members already waste accounts by being banned. I'm sure if we had a reason for them to help, they'd gladly send us the info we need. Don't under-estimate our members...

 

"Randomness" is too vague of a term to be of any help. There have been articles written in thew past that talk about catchign bots (on another game) by recognizing patterns in the paths the bots walked. This is one possible detection factor, and will be greatly remedied when Web-Walking comes out.

Edited June 3, 2014 by Deffiliate

[Aza]

I agree, ban rate is so high right now. Needs to be sorted.

[Fantabulous]

The way most scripts move the mouse from point to point isn't very human like at all IMO. (They always take the  "shortest way")

[Deffiliate]

The way most scripts move the mouse from point to point isn't very human like at all IMO. (They always take the  "shortest way")

No they don't, bot makers have been using different pathing algorithms for a long time, and we definitely don't move in a straight line. That said, OSBot could use a better mouse algo.

[boizero]

Members already waste accounts by being banned. I'm sure if we had a reason for them to help, they'd gladly send us the info we need. Don't under-estimate our members...

 

"Randomness" is too vague of a term to be of any help. There have been articles written in thew past that talk about catchign bots (on another game) by recognizing patterns in the paths the bots walked. This is one possible detection factor, and will be greatly remedied when Web-Walking comes out.

 

You're overlooking the fact that the average member does not fully comprehend the circumstances regarding why he or she has been banned. I personally do not know that much about Java or Runescape's bot detection, and I will admit to being a newbie, but I think you are also being vague. You talk about other games using software to detect patterns in the way the bots walk to 'catch' them. Though I don't doubt the authenticity of your statement, Runescape is its own game. It uses its own detection system. We have very intelligent developers and scripters on this forum, and we can take educated guesses at how Jagex bans us, but we can never know one hundred percent. The unfortunate truth is Jagex will never be at the point where they can ban nobody because they cannot tell a bot from a human player. They will always be one step ahead. The best we can do is stay one small step behind, so close that they cannot see how close we really are.