BigCahunaBurger Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 I've got a budget to buy a new server and/or upgrade my old ones for my farm. Any recommendations for hardware? I was looking at the Dell PowerEdge R720 which is around $700 for 200GB of ram and 40MB total of cache (not sure if it's L3 or higher) - xeon e5-2670. I'm not sure though if it's a bit overpriced, and if the CPU bottleneck is going to make the ram mostly useless. I can already get 250GB of ram on my proliant dl360 g7 for around $300 if I'm so inclined, but the CPU bottleneck seems to be the biggest problem and I'm not sure 40mb of cache is gonna be enough What server would you recommend or build out for up to $2,000 for stealth mode farming? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCahunaBurger Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 I feel like for osbot a 4 or 8 socket server would be ideal cause you can get more cpus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCahunaBurger Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) Like a R815 so you can get 64 cores might reduce the upi link bandwidth though. am not sure what effect that would have watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLsMlVpF2ao Edited January 6, 2022 by BigCahunaBurger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCahunaBurger Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) I feel like the R815 is gonna draw too much power, 2x or more than the dual socket One reason I love my noobish proliant dl360 g7s (besides being dirt cheap) is they use like 50 watts at half load Edited January 6, 2022 by BigCahunaBurger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramnik Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 RAMs in servers are overkill. You dont need 200-250GB of ram, you won't find a CPU to match the amount of RAMs you heave. I dont think even beast CPUs could handle 400-500 bots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Kramnik said: RAMs in servers are overkill. You dont need 200-250GB of ram, you won't find a CPU to match the amount of RAMs you heave. I dont think even beast CPUs could handle 400-500 bots Single socket the only thing I can think of is a Thread ripper 3990x probably could if you're running stealth clients not mirror. I can run ~100 clients on my 3900x and a 3990x has over 5 times the cores so theoretically you can run 5 times the bots. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCahunaBurger Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 6 hours ago, Gunman said: Single socket the only thing I can think of is a Thread ripper 3990x probably could if you're running stealth clients not mirror. I can run ~100 clients on my 3900x and a 3990x has over 5 times the cores so theoretically you can run 5 times the bots. The 3900x seems like a pretty good deal IMHO. Electricity usage of only about 200 watts is comparable to a lower end server, but seems it can serve up a lot more stealth than the xeons I've been using. The 3990x looks pretty cool but for the pricetag of $5,000 it's a tad difficult to justify (being 10x higher than the 3900x) Maybe I'll upgrade to the 3990x at a later time. I do love servers but if it makes more sense to just build out a pc that's fine too, will be a lot quieter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCahunaBurger Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 I'm looking at the AMD epyc / epyc rome. It's comparable to the threadripper / ryzen series in price and performance I think, need to research it more Considering using thinkmate ratx, hpe is too pricey for the hardware IMO. You can get a few TB of ram and a 32 core cpu for a few grand. But the dual socket options might be too expensive for me... Annoying. And I can't remove the cpus entirely to buy them used somewhere else. Maybe I'll just try to troll ebay to find one I want used. I think it's also possible to buy pc Mobos that have dual sockets and amd epyc sockets https://www.newegg.com/asrock-rack-rome2d16-2t-amd-epyc-7002-series-processors/p/N82E16813140060 I feel like I'll probably roll a custom PC using server hardware (glad this is a thing) because actual servers are ear deafening and you can't just replace the fans with a noctua. I like quiet. It's one thing when the server cost me $150 (proliant g7) and another when it's more than $5k https://www.velocitymicro.com/blog/threadripper-vs-epyc/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCahunaBurger Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) meh. 3900x beats the lower end epyc in price and electricity usage, memory per core, etc. But there is no dual socket option Edited January 7, 2022 by BigCahunaBurger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, BigCahunaBurger said: meh. 3900x beats the lower end epyc in price and electricity usage, memory per core, etc. But there is no dual socket option Depending how big of a price jump it is, the 3950x might be worth it having 4 more cores and 8 more threads. Also should take into consideration of heat generation from the pcs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCahunaBurger Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) I'm wondering about just upgrading to dual xeon e5-4669s on a gen 8 hp proliant dl360. The reason being: I can get about 150gb of ram for $130 (prices I'm seeing ecc ddr3 is about 1/3 the price of ecc ddr4), it's ddr3 so I don't need to buy new stuff. Combined those cpus have about 90mb of l3 cache (ryzen 3900x has 64mb), 4.6mb l2 cache, and cost $300 for two of em. Eighteen cores and 36 threads each so total 36 cores with 72 threads. I feel like that's a pretty good deal, in total cost less than a grand. Plus I like proliants and have a good feel for them from dailying a g7. CPUs about 135w each at max load (TDP) I feel like I don't want to get too much modern hardware because part of the fun is trying to optimize stuff or working with limitations and I'm concerned modern manufacturing quality could be declining, plus a bit of a hardware bubble rn IMO. I prefer old secondhand stuff that's already been burned in Edited January 7, 2022 by BigCahunaBurger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 53 minutes ago, BigCahunaBurger said: I'm wondering about just upgrading to dual xeon e5-4669s on a gen 8 hp proliant dl360. The reason being: I can get about 150gb of ram for $130 (prices I'm seeing ecc ddr3 is about 1/3 the price of ecc ddr4), it's ddr3 so I don't need to buy new stuff. Combined those cpus have about 90mb of l3 cache (ryzen 3900x has 64mb), 4.6mb l2 cache, and cost $300 for two of em. Eighteen cores and 36 threads each so total 36 cores with 72 threads. I feel like that's a pretty good deal, in total cost less than a grand. Plus I like proliants and have a good feel for them from dailying a g7. CPUs about 135w each at max load (TDP) I feel like I don't want to get too much modern hardware because part of the fun is trying to optimize stuff or working with limitations and I'm concerned modern manufacturing quality could be declining, plus a bit of a hardware bubble rn IMO. I prefer old secondhand stuff that's already been burned in For botting ye older stuff is better. All you really are looking for is core count and ram capacity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCahunaBurger Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 45 minutes ago, Gunman said: For botting ye older stuff is better. All you really are looking for is core count and ram capacity Cool I'll give this a try then and post my results in a few weeks to a month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCahunaBurger Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gunman said: For botting ye older stuff is better. All you really are looking for is core count and ram capacity What are your thoughts on quad socket builds (four cpus on the server main board)? You can get more cores but they are funky and slower than dual socket, they cannot all communicate with each-other at the same time@Patrickrn you can get a poweredge 815 with 256gb of ram for about a $1,000 with 4 opterons that have 16 cores each. Not gonna have the money rn to buy them and worried they might sell out but I'm sure there's enough on the market through different sellers. Someone on reddit claims their 815 mining monero only burns about 350 watts at max load which I find hard to believe but maybe it's possible. They're using it as a heater for their basement though so the heat may be too much. Maybe I'll try experimenting with both. I'm interested to see if you can save some electricity and money with this. $900 for all that is a pretty good deal so I'm not sure what to start with Edited January 7, 2022 by BigCahunaBurger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, BigCahunaBurger said: What are your thoughts on quad socket builds (four cpus on the server main board)? You can get more cores but they are funky and slower than dual socket, they cannot all communicate with each-other at the same time@Patrickrn you can get a poweredge 815 with 256gb of ram for about a $1,000 with 4 opterons that have 16 cores each. Not gonna have the money rn to buy them and worried they might sell out but I'm sure there's enough on the market through different sellers. Someone on reddit claims their 815 mining monero only burns about 350 watts at max load which I find hard to believe but maybe it's possible. They're using it as a heater for their basement though so the heat may be too much. Maybe I'll try experimenting with both. I'm interested to see if you can save some electricity and money with this. $900 for all that is a pretty good deal so I'm not sure what to start with No idea, never used one, only used duel socket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
