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The forum has finished upgrading. Sorry for the delay, there were some issues with getting the new theme to work. Over the next week I'll be dedicating some time to restoring forum features and fixing miscellaneous bugs. Please give your feedback below! -The OSBot Staff

The following things are missing/ need re added after updating to ipb 4.1 The following ipb 4.1 plugins Secondary Group Images (free ipb marketplace) Remove Main Category Title( free ipb marketplace) Group Color on User Link(webflake) New Members Message (webflake) Who Was Online Username Minimum Length (if you do not add it users can create 1-3 letter names dono if you want that/unless they have patchd in last ipb 4update) optional plugins Custom User Title (i cant remember if sponsor where allowed to change user title of not but thought id mention it The following skin edits add feedback link to user profile Before pic (EDIT ALLOWED IMAGES TO .PNG ASWELL PLEASE) in acp after pic added images to bottom as .png are not embeding atm. Also you could edit the banner again the old osbot orange one was pretty cool compared to standard animate 4.1 Heres a few optional banners you could use (attached to bottom) https://i.gyazo.com/95d6019135ba1cbea4603836d802af24.png Ill let you know when i remember any others

Sorry to hear but we just switched to a IPB4 so there are a lot of things that are needed to fix, the forum is brought back online to be able to post but meanwhile staff is fixing the kinks

We are aware of both of these. I will be adding secondary group icons tomorrow, and fixing the donor ranks.

NEW! Added Gemstone Crab! 81 Hours at Cows Brutal Black Dragon support Sulphur Nagua support Blue Dragon 99 ranged 99 Ranged at Gemstone Crab 81 Range F2p Safespotting Hill Giants Hotkey List // F1 = set cannon tile // F2 = hide paint // F3 = Set afk tile // F4 = reset afk tile // F6 = Set safespot tile // F7 = activate tile selector // F8 = Reset tile selector // F9 and F10 used by the client, EDIT: will re-assign as they are no longer used by client // F11 = Set breaks tile // F12 = Reset breaks tile User Interface Banking Tab Demo (handles everything with banking) You can copy inventory (to avoid adding individual items...), you can insert item names which have Auto-Fill (for you lazy folk!) and you can choose whether to block an item and avoid depositing it in bank, ideal for runes and ammo. Looting Tab Demo (From looting to alchemy, noted/stackable items too) You can choose whether to alch an item after looting it simply by enabling a checkbox, with a visual representation. All items are saved upon exiting the bot, for your convenience! Tasking Demo (Not to be confused with sequence mode, this is an individual task for leveling) You can set stop conditions, for example to stop the bot after looting a visage, you can have a leveling streak by changing attack styles and training all combat stats, you can have windows alert bubbles when an event occurs and an expansive layout for misc. options! Prayer Flick Demo (Just example, I made it faster after recording this GIF) There are two settings: Safe mode and efficient mode, this is safe mode: Fight Bounds Demo Allows you to setup the fight bounds easily! Simplified NPC chooser Either choose nearby (local) NPCs or enter an NPC name to find the nearest fight location! Simple interface, just click! Level Task Switch Demo (Switching to attack combat style after getting 5 defence) You can choose how often to keep levels together! e.g. switch styles every 3 levels Cannon Demo (Cannon is still experimental, beta mode!) Choose to kill npcs with a cannon, recharges at a random revolution after around 20-24 hits to make sure the cannon never goes empty too! Results Caged Ogres: How does this bot know where to find NPCs? This bot will find far-away npcs by simply typing the NPC name. All NPCs in the game, including their spawn points have been documented, the bot knows where they are. You can type 'Hill giant' while your account is in Lumbridge, and the bot will find it's way to the edgeville dungeon Hill giants area! Here is a visual representation of the spawn system in action (this is just a visual tool, map mode is not added due to it requiring too much CPU) Fight Area Example (How the bot searches for the npc 'Wolf') Walking System The script has 2 main walking options which have distinctive effects on the script. The walking system is basically a map with points and connections linking each point. It tells the script where to go, and decides the routes to take when walking to fightzones. Walking system 1 This uses a custom walking API written by myself and is constantly being updated as new fightzones are added. Pros: - Updates are instant, no waiting times - More fightzones are supported Cons: - Sometimes if an object is altered, the changes are not instant - Restarting the script too many times requires loading this webwalker each time which adds unnecessary memory (there is no way to make it only load at client startup since I don't control the client) Walking system 2 This is the default OSBot webwalking API - it is relatively new and very stable since the developers have built it, but is currently lacking certain fightzones (e.g. stronghold) and other high level requirement zones. It is perfect for normal walking (no object interactions or stairs, entrances etc) and never fails. Pros: - Stable, works perfect for normal walking - All scripters are giving code to improve the client webwalker - More efficient when restarting the script since it is loaded upon client start Cons: - No stronghold support yet - Some new/rare fightzones not supported yet - If there is a game-breaking update or an unsupported fightzone, it may take some time to add/repair (less than 24 hours usually) So which system should I choose? Whichever one suits your chosen fightzone best! There really shouldn't be any problems - the sole purpose of these options are for backup and emergency purposes, if the script ever messes up there is always the next option to select. Note: If the script ever fails, there will be immediate updates to fix the walking systems! Script Queue/Bot Manager: Script ID is 758, and the parameters will be the profile name that you saved in the fighter setup! Bug Report templates: New feature request - What is the new feature - Basic description of what the script should do - Basic actions for the script: 'Use item on item' etc. For when the script gets stuck on a tile (or continuous loop): - Which exact tile does the script get stuck on? (exact tile, not 'near the draynor village') - Plugin or normal script? - Did you try all 3 walking options? Script has a logic bug (e.g. dies while safespotting) or (cannon mode doesn't pickup arrows) - What is the bug - How did you make the bug happen - (optional) recommendation for the bug, e.g. 'make the script walk back' or something - Tried client restart? - Normal script or a plugin? - Which exact setup options are enabled? Afk mode, cannon mode, etc etc.

Want to buy with OSGP? Contact me on Discord! Detailed feature list: - Multiple modes: Varrock - Walk to sawmill and bank Varrock - Walk sawmill / Varrock teleport (tablet) Varrock - Walk sawmill / Varrock telkeport (spell) Woodcutting guild - Banks for logs Woodcutting guild - Chop logs Castle wars - Balloon method / Ring of dueling Castle wars - Ring of elements / Ring of dueling POH butler mode Castle Wars - House teleport (Tab OR Spell) / Ring of dueling POH butler mode Camelot PVP - House teleport (Tab OR Spell) / Camelot teleport (Tab or Spell) - Potion support - Normal butler / Demon butler - CLI support for goldfarmers Custom Breakmanager: - Setup Bot and break times - Randomize your break times - Stop script on certain conditions (Stop on first break, Stop after X amount of minutes, Stop when skill level is reached) - Worldhopping - Crucial part to botting in 2023! Script queueing: - Support queueing multiple script in a row - All Khal scripts support flawless transitions in between scripts - Start creating your acc in a few clicks from scratch to multiple 99's - Flawless CLI support - Learn more here: How to use CLI parameters: - Example Usage: -script 463:ScriptFile.BreakFile.DiscordFile SAVEFILE = Saved Filename BREAKFILE = Breakmanager Filename - SAVEFILE: Save file can be created in the GUI. Navigate to the tab you want to run and press "Save As CLI file". Please choose your filename wisely (No special characters) - BREAKFILE (Optional): Breakfile can also be create in the GUI, set the breaksettings you wish to use and press "Save new CLI BreakFile". Please choose your filename wisely (No special characters) - Final form (Note that with some bot manager you do not need to specify '-script 844'): -script 844:TaskList1.4515breaks (With breaks) -script 844:TaskList1.4515breaks.discord1 (With breaks & discord) -script 844:TaskList1..discord1 (NO breaks & discord)

Ability to set custom Magic and Ranged armour sets ✓ No limits on Kills per trip ✓ Using a mix of user inputs and built-in logic, the script will determine if you have enough supplies for another kill without banking. Options to decide how much food you’re like to take into the next fight as a minimum. Customisable Stop Conditions Stop after 'x' kills Stop after 'x' profit Stop after 'x' runtime Stop after 'x' consecutive deaths Efficient Zulrah Fight Executor ✓ Knows what have, is and will happen Longrange mode, gain defence XP passively with no time loss ✓ Multiple Travel Routines Zul-Andra teleport scrolls VIA Clan Wars ✓ Zul-Andra Teleports VIA PoH ✓ Charter Travel ✓ Caterby charter [via Camelot teleports] Fairy Rings ✓ Ability to select staff to use or not use one at all for fairy rings ✓ Summer Pie Support (72+ Agility recommended) ✓ Fairy ring via Slayer Ring ✓ Fairy ring via House Teleport ✓ Ornate pool support ✓ Jewellery box Support ✓ Mounted Glory Support ✓ Construction Cape Support ✓ Ability to select Magic Only ✓ Changes Rotations and Phases for the best possible fight experience. No need to quest for Ava’s or Level range. Swaps prayers & equipment efficiently ✓ Option to use quick switch mode, removes mouse travel time for even faster switching Prayer Flicking on Jad Phases ✓ Supports Raids Prayers ✓ 55 Prayer ✓ 74 Prayer ✓ 77 Prayer ✓ Options to Dynamically pray against Snakelings when Zulrah is not focused on player. ✓ Calculates: Total loot value ✓ Total cost of supplies used ✓ Profit after costs ✓ Ability to sell all your loot when you run out of supplies ✓ Ability to top up your supplies if you run out with auto-exchange ✓ Death-walking ✓ Safe death boss Rechargeable item support Trident of Seas ✓ Trident of Swamp ✓ Blowpipe ✓ Dynamically detects darts used (Must start with darts inside the blowpipe for it to work!) Serpentine Helm ✓ Ring of suffering ✓ Barrows Repairing ✓ Using Lumbridge teleports or the Home teleport, the script will withdraw coins, travel to Bob and repair your armour then continue to run. Potion Decanting ✓ Efficiently decants all types of potions allowing FruityZulrah to run for longer. Inventory Organising ✓ Organises your inventory to minimise mouse movement, increasing time spent elsewhere. Combo eating Karambwams ✓ Will combo eat karambwams to help prevent death from Zulrah and Snakelings stacks Supports blowpipe special attack ✓ Uses the Blowpipe special attack to help replenish HP Multiple stat boosts supported Prayer ✓ Super Restore ✓ Magic ✓ Ranging ✓ Bastion ✓ Stamina ✓ Anti-venom+ ✓ Imbued Heart ✓ Supports Lunars ‘Cure Me’ spell to cure Venom ✓ Requires: 1 2 2 Ability to use rune pouch Level 71 Magic Lunars Quest Ideal for Ironman accounts with no access to anti-venom+ Supports Lunars Vengeance spell ✓ Requires: 2 4 10 Perfectly times vengeance casts to Magic Phase ranged attacks for best results. Ability to use rune pouch Level 94 Magic World hopping support ✓ Options to hop world between x and x minutes. will randomly select a time every hop. Ability to skip rotations by Hopping worlds Ability to decide on your own custom world list or just to hop to any P2P world Grand Exchange Add-on ✓ Add-on script for free Save/load buy/sell presets Ability to dump all zulrah loot in 2 clicks Command Line Support ✓ Start the script on multiple accounts with a single click Script ID - 903 Command: -script "903:profile=Test hours_limit=10 kills_limit=5 deaths_limit=5 profit_limit=1m" profile = saved profile name, if you've been using CLI to run the script, this will need to be updated to suit. hours_limit = Complete after 'x' run hours. kills_limit = Complete after 'x' zulrah kills deaths_limit = Complete after 'x' deaths. profit_limit = Complete after 'x' accumulated profit Pro-active calculations ✓ Calculates next mouse position for next action whilst first action is being performed Asynchronous actions ✓ Can perform multiple tasks at once saving time Banks Pet drops ✓ Loot table ✓ http://fruityscripts.com/zulrah/loot/ Displays total loot as well as a live feed of drops Hiscores ✓ http://fruityscripts.com/zulrah/hiscores/ Compare and compete against other users Dynamic Signatures ✓ Show off your gains with FruityZulrah url: http://fruityscripts.com/zulrah/signature/signature.php?username={USERNAME} Replace {USERNAME} with your username http://fruityscripts.com/zulrah/signature/signature.php Notifications Get Notifications for: Valuable drops ✓ Deaths ✓ On Exit ✓ Timely Data dumps (GP, GP/HR, Kills, Kills/HR, Deaths, Runtime) ✓ Types of Notifications Email ✓ Discord ~ Desktop ✓ ✓ Implemented into the script ~ Work in progress View a collection of Screenshots posted by FruityZulrah users showing their progress with the script. Watch a collection of FruityZulrah videos below If you have a video you'd like to be added to the Playlist, send me a pm with a link. Videos must of course include the FruityZulrah script. If you wish to purchase FruityZulrah VIA PayPal, please follow the store link below: If you'd like to purchase FruityZulrah using OSRS GP, SEND ME A PM and i can give you my current $$:GP Rates! Discord Community: https://discord.gg/WzXRk2bWTV Trial bot has been implemented (100 post count required if you're not VIP/Sponsor!) @fruityscripts on Discord

PPOSB - AIO Hunter Brand new trapping system just released in 2024! *ChatGPT Supported via AltChat* https://www.pposb.org/ ***Black chinchompas and Black salamanders have been added back*** Supports the completion of Varrock Museum & Eagle's Peak OR CLICK HERE TO PAY WITH 07 GOLD! The script has been completely rewritten from the ground up! Enjoy the all new v2 of the script JOIN THE DISCORD CHAT FOR QUESTIONS/ SUPPORT/ CHATTING/ UPDATES! New GUI: Features: Click Here Current functioning hunter tasks: (green - complete || yellow - started || red - incomplete) Screenshots: Progressive Leveling: 1-19 --> Crimson swift 19-43 --> Tropical wagtail 43-63 --> Falconry 63+ --> Red chinchompas Updates How to setup Dynamic Signatures Report a bug CLI Support - The script now supports starting up with CLI. The commands are given below. Please put in ALL values (true or false) for CLI to work properly. Make sure they are lowercase values, and they are each separated with an underscore. The script ID for the hunter bot is 677. Parameters: EnableProgression_EnableVarrockMuseum_EnableEaglesPeak_EnableGrandExchange Example: -script 677:true_true_false_true ***Don't forget to check out some of my other scripts!*** OSRS Script Factory Click here to view thread LEAVE A LIKE A COMMENT FOR A TRIAL The script is not intended for Ironman accounts. It still works for Ironman accounts, but you must have all equipment, gear, and items.

It might be interesting to setup a staging/development server for you to test on, it would prevent downtime and/or a buggy site in the future

I think he means on the posts. @gearing we're still in the process of adding most of the hooks we had on IPB3, thanks for suggesting this. We'll look into adding it again.

You sound autistic

OSRS prices generally range from 1.15-1.3/m, it hasn't been down to $1/m since the release of raids, just a heads up.

Okay, I'll turn the forums offline until every little detail is perfected.

- I fok horses. -- Pardon? - Yes paarden.

Script Version: 40.0 | Last Updated: 10/11/2023 [MM/DD/YYYY] LEADERBOARDS: https://cnar.dev/projects/edragons/leaderboard.php Script Progress Pictures Script Development Updates Script Manual GUI Settings (Disable Ad-block to see Images) Gui Saving / Loading: When selecting 'Save settings' a pop up directory will show up. Set a file name under "File name:" then click 'ok' or 'save'. It will save as a .txt file. When selecting 'Load settings' a pop up directory will show up. Simply find your saved .txt file and click it. Once selected, select 'ok' or 'load'. Safe-Spotting Mode: Please start the script at your preferred safe spot when selecting this option and pressing start OR load your saved settings.txt file to auto fill your safe spot! Looting Bag Mode: If toggled, it will use random behavior when adding bones or hides to the Looting Bag! If you happen to die the script will have added it to the lootlist and retrieve it once it spawns on dragon death and continue using it!. Loot distance: Default = 10 Tiles away from your player. Set your custom distance if you prefer. Loot range ammo: Loots the ammo type you have equipped if you are ranging! Default = Stack of 5 Bolts on floor Special Attack: Uses special attack during combat [Main weapon support only!] Deathwalk Mode: Handles death and regears with the equipment set from on start of the script. Current Modes Supported [BETA]: Under production. No guarantee that it is 100%. Green Dragons: West wilderness East wilderness Graveyard wilderness Lava maze wilderness Myth guild [BETA] Blue Dragons: Taverly Watchtower Ogre enclave Heroes' guild Myth guild [BETA] Black Dragons: Taverly Lost city chicken shrine Myth guild [BETA] Metal Dragons: Brimhaven Brutal Dragons: Black dragons in zeah catacombs [BETA] Blue dragons in zeah catacombs [BETA] Red dragons in zeah catacombs [BETA] Mode Help Blue Dragons Supported safespots for taverly mode only. *Other modes can use any spot* Near the agility pipe | Less traffic but with lower profit/hr Inside the Expanded blue dragon room Items | Requirements Anti-dragon shield Ranged/Melee/Magic support! Food Prayer potions *Blowpipe mode taverly mode* Summer Pie *Taverly mode* Falador teleports *Taverly mode* Dusty key *Taverly mode* Dueling rings *Watchtower mode or Heroes guild mode* Games necklaces *Heroes guild mode* Black Dragons Supported safespots Anywhere in the dragon area. Items | Requirements Anti-dragon shield Ranged/Magic support only! Food Anti-poisons *If taverly mode* Falador teleports *If Taverly mode* Dusty key *If Taverly mode* Raw chicken *Lost city mode* Green Dragons Ranged/Melee/Magic support! Supported safespots Graveyard: Anywhere in the myth guild or lava maze dragon area. Items | Requirements East Dragons: Dueling ring *Not optional* Games necklace *Optional* Glory *Optional* Metal Dragons Items | Requirements Select Bury bones option + Dragon bones in loot table to bury bones! Banking is not supported. Please start at the dragon room. It will randomly choose a metal dragon. Range / Magic only support Brutal Dragons Items | Requirements Ranging potions Extended antifire potions Prayer potions Food prayer > 43 rope tunnel route unlocked Start at blast mine bank At this time it will auto grab my set amount of prayer pots. Full GUI customization will come soon. CLI Information Script ID: 898 Create your own file & save under c/users/osbot/data as filename.txt Mode names "Blue dragons(Taverly)", "Blue dragons(Watchtower)", "Blue dragons(Heroes guild)", "Blue dragons(Myth guild)", "Black dragons(Taverly)", "Black dragons(Lost City)", "Black dragons(Myth guild)", "Green dragons(West)", "Green dragons(Graveyard)", "Green dragons(Lava maze)", "Green dragons(Myth guild)", "Metal dragons(Brimhaven)", "[BETA]Brutal dragons(Black)" Food names "Trout", "Salmon", "Tuna", "Potato with cheese", "Lobster", "Swordfish", "Jug of wine", "Monkfish", "Shark", "Manta ray", "Tuna potato", File creation template *See gui for options* *Create your own for validation*: #Dragon GUI Settings #Fri Mar 30 20:14:43 EDT 2018 checkSummerPieActive=false checkEatToFull=true textFoodAmount=1 checkBurningAndGlory=false checkRanarrWeed=true radioWorldHopper=false radioStrengthPotionRegular=false checkRegularWalker=false radioAttackPotionSuper=false radioSpecialAttack=false checkAdamantHelm=true checkWalkToBank=false checkGloryAndGames=false checkLootingBag=false radioMagicPotion=false radioSafeSpot=true radioRangePotion=true radioStrengthPotionSuper=false textWorldHopCount=7 checkRespawnTeleport=false comboDragonsMode=Blue dragons(Watchtower) radioCombatPotion=false checkAutoEatAt=false checkNatureRune=true textEatAt=60 checkAdamaniteOre=true checkBuryBones=false checkGamesAndDueling=false radioAntipoisonPotion=false checkRubyDiamondCombo=false checkSafetyTeleport=false checkRuneDagger=true checkLootAmmo=true radioAttackPotionRegular=false checkBlowpipeActive=false radioAntifirePotion=false checkDragonhide=true checkDragonBones=true checkGloryOnly=false textLootDistance=10 safeSpot=2443,3083,0 checkAntiPK=false checkClueScroll=false checkBurningAndDueling=false comboFoodType=Shark checkDeathwalking=false Bug Report Template Status in the paint(Screenshot): Client Version: "Osbot x.x.x" Client Type(Mirror Mode OR Stealth Injection): Inventory layout: Equipment layout: GUI settings (Screenshot(s)): What is the error that is occurring? How can I replicate this error? Logger output (Screenshot): GRAB YOUR OWN DYNAMIC SIGNATURE HERE https://cnar.dev/projects/edragons/users/All_Users.png //This gives you the all users image (600x200) I encourage you to display your signatures and linked to the thread! Would appreciate that To get your own just do (Case sensitive) https://cnar.dev/projects/edragons/users/YourNameHere.png if your osbot name has spaces (ex. Cool doot 33) https://cnar.dev/projects/edragons/users/Cool doot 33.png PURCHASE HERE

Just scammed for 8600k by sahand checked hes osbot profile, saw 99-1(good-bad) feedback. so just paid him, and he went offline. now i found out the user is already banned, but duo the new forum change's i cant see that. so please fix the right user info dont care about the lose, but dont let this happen to other people (if you still want proof, i will post it, but user is already banned)

Thanks so much !!! I feel like a noob for not thinking about this, I've spent hours over this past week trying to figure out what I did wrong in the equation and it never occured to me to put () around the xyz part , thanks man I owe you one

vegeta > goku

Each

Katy is there? I am taking a plane right now to sydney

mhm it wasnt at the start, hence the quote of it. dont take it as an attack, just letting you know it was the wrong pic/description :p yeah few bugs on the forums atm

I wanted to say be patient, but I left out the be cuz im lazy I study English plz

spanish.

http://i.imgur.com/cMWalaa.gif i love it (they removed images temporarely from forums -.-)

Hello, Looking for someone/people to level my ironman, this will be by hand and you will use osbuddy to provide all screenshots, the account already has a 2-day ban due to someone botting an alt account and ip ban my ironman.... So you'll provide all screenshots at the end or whenever I ask. If the account is banned, you'll be responsible and have to make me a brand new ironman with the same stats I have now. Tasks - 55-61 mining (Iron ore) 48/44/45 combat stats training to 60/60/60 25 range to 50-60 range 9 hunter to 63 hunter? 18 farming to 40-50 48 woodcut to 60 (keep logs) 49 Fishing to 60 (can either keep or drop fish) Quests - underground quest horror from the deep (inc barcrawl) Shield of arrav romeo and Juliet merlins crystal heroes (when req got) holy grail (when req got) in search of myreque in aid of myreque fremennik trials Posts prices or add my skype/pm me.

It's in my signature :P, live:osbot.hokage

Kalistaaa <3!!

Over edit, cant even see fight :((

Cool man

Drugs?

anne trying to act as if shes relevant lmao

http://i.imgur.com/zOX1mDO.gif

this new theme is better for mobile btw

I like the old one better because it was so simple and not to flashy. Maybe if they made the panels smaller and removed that background it would be better, for me at least.

get used to it sucker

everything is boxier and has weird proportions, it's pretty generic now too

Longs are not commonly used for this type of thing. Doubles would be easier. Also you can use Integer.ParseInt(input) to cast anything to an int, except I think BigInts. Which you should never need for OSRS

I'm not going to invest too much time in updating the Chatbox, since I'd have to be editing the raw files and not config files. Chatbox service is going down in April/May. I'm looking into mobile detection and the SDN right now. Edit: Recent Topics is having an issue right now. Thanks for reporting

Make chatbox order names in Alphabetical always! (Only does it sometimes). Bump button has disappeared. The forums normal size is a bit too big. Looks like it's Zoomed in at 130% Will add more when I see more issues. The forum can look great in no time.

dis sucks

Got dem lean scripts eh? This is how I know ya just made up numbers.

Completely restarted. Goal of my new system is to have complete automation from task assignments, server deployment, muling and the list goes on. February 11th-14th -Loading servers, accounts, tasks(scripts) -Event System --Added Server Setup event, checks every hour in my database for a new server, if there is one, its setup automatically and ready for botting in ~10-15 minutes -Added input for basic administrative commands(more so for stats/data) -Added ScriptUpdateEvent which checks my FTP server for any script updates as well as osbot updates, if theirs a script update that effects any running clients, they are stopped and restarted. if there is an osbot update, accounts are logged, clients are destroyed, OSBot is redownloaded and then a server reboot is initiated. February 10th -Started to work on the base of my application Screenshots Server Setup Event in action Thanks to; @Token @Explv @LoudPacks

Enjoy the trials That's very unfortunate Rc is quite high bann rate nowadays ... Going to take a look at them and hopefully by the end of the week

C#, nice. I might be able to improve this further.

I don't see why this is a barb fished account? The HP is as high as it should be without barb fishing..

looks like everyone is taking your advice and going else where