Should you be able to kill civilians in war?

[Hush]

It's the price I pay for a head start on life. Canada hasn't invaded or been invaded in a very long time, and I doubt the Canadian government has intentions on going to war.

 

Joining the military for the sake of a job and money/benefits is one of the most foolish things I have ever heard. You should join because you are proud of your nation and that you are proud to die in honor of it during times of war. I hope for your fellow soldiers sake that you do not get deployed because I would not want to be your battle buddy. In fact, I'd rather have Jonah Hill as my battle buddy than you.

[Joe]

Sorry OP but what you're saying is absolutely insane, to think in any way killing innocent human beings is acceptable is quite frankly disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to justify such a thing.

99% of people don't want war as no one wins, remember the easiest way to create a 'terrorist' (aka enemy) is to kill his father, his sons and take away everything he once knew until he gives no fucks.

It's all fine sitting on our sofas 5,000 miles away from real conflict speculating about killing civilians, but please take a walk in a Palestinians shoes and watch the world around you crumble, watch your friends and family being slaughtered then come back and ask the same question.

[TR33]

Sorry OP but what you're saying is absolutely insane, to think in any way killing innocent human beings is acceptable is quite frankly disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to justify such a thing.

99% of people don't want war as no one wins, remember the easiest way to create a 'terrorist' (aka enemy) is to kill his father, his sons and take away everything he once knew until he gives no fucks.

It's all fine sitting on our sofas 5,000 miles away from real conflict speculating about killing civilians, but please take a walk in a Palestinians shoes and watch the world around you crumble, watch your friends and family being slaughtered then come back and ask the same question.

Two things:

 

1) As I've said, the current affairs in the East are not relevant. They are killing civilians for no good reason. That's just mindless killing over there which I am strongly against.

 

2) What's an innocent civilian? It's nice to throw that word around and to say you can't kill them to make you feel all good inside for being a moral person, but what does that really mean? I think you'll find civilians aren't as innocent as you make them out to be in a time of war when you look deeper into it. This isn't a hypothetical question by the way. I really would love an answer because for me it's hard to think of one while still maintaining the innocent disconnected sense of the word that's often associated with it.

[Joe]

Two things:

1) As I've said, the current affairs in the East are not relevant. They are killing civilians for no good reason. That's just mindless killing over there which I am strongly against.

2) What's an innocent civilian? It's nice to throw that word around and to say you can't kill them to make you feel all good inside for being a moral person, but what does that really mean? I think you'll find civilians aren't as innocent as you make them out to be in a time of war when you look deeper into it. This isn't a hypothetical question by the way. I really would love an answer because for me it's hard to think of one while still maintaining the innocent disconnected sense of the word that's often associated with it.

Yes the East is relevant, look at the title of your thread. How can you honestly say that killing children for example to stop them being recruited 20 years later is justifiable? What about a blockade to squeeze an army whilst the rest of the population die in agony from starvation? Fine in your mind it seems, it's so sad because you seem to treat human life like a game of battleships.

Innocent is anyone that doesn't want to be in a war yet have no choice in it, which is the vast majority. Whether they work in a shoe factory that supply's boots to the army or not, they're still innocent.

[TR33]

Yes the East is relevant, look at the title of your thread. How can you honestly say that killing children for example to stop them being recruited 20 years later is justifiable? What about a blockade to squeeze an army whilst the rest of the population die in agony from starvation? Fine in your mind it seems, it's so sad because you seem to treat human life like a game of battleships.

Innocent is anyone that doesn't want to be in a war yet have no choice in it, which is the vast majority. Whether they work in a shoe factory that supply's boots to the army or not, they're still innocent.

So the guy shooting at me that doesn't want to be there but has no choice is somehow a civilian? Also the guy flying the troop transport plane right over my head that's about to deliver troops that will try to kill me is a civilian that shouldn't be shot down?

 

War isn't pretty my friend. People die. A soldier is no different than any other person that works a 9-5. A lot, if not the majority, of people in the military are there because it's a good job as @Asap Ferg will do or because they were forced to by the state (think draft). War IS a game of battleships with human life. The generals deploying thousands to an area isn't thinking about each soldiers wants, desires, and dreams. No, he is thinking I need to have 1000 killing machines in this area in order to accomplish this goal. He knows some or even many will die, but that's what war is. Time to wake up from your little fairy tale.

[Varc]

Unfortunately the people calling the shots such as politicians are the ones committing these crimes, as a soldier you are conditioned to obey commands. You are brainwashed to be the killing machine that the state wants. If you refuse to do as told you will be a traitor some people who join the forces really don't understand what they are getting themselves into until its too late. Soldiers and civilians are pawns and nations leaders who sit back and do nothing but call the shots are the kings.

[TR33]

Unfortunately the people calling the shots such as politicians are the ones committing these crimes, as a soldier you are conditioned to obey commands. You are brainwashed to be the killing machine that the state wants. If you refuse to do as told you will be a traitor some people who join the forces really don't understand what they are getting themselves into until its too late. Soldiers and civilians are pawns and nations leaders who sit back and do nothing but call the shots are the kings.

Completely agree. I personally see a lot of people my age joining the military right after High School that have no business getting into something so gruesome. Literally every one of the people I talked to used the free college deal as a reason for giving 8 years of their life to that organization. It's like they view it as a regular occupation.

[Anaesthetic]

Killing innocent civilians is wrong.  What if they're not supportive or even against the war that is being fought?  What if they had no say in their country's entrance into the war?   Why should we be taking innocent lives away from people who deserve to live a full life?  Its just plain wrong.

[TR33]

Killing innocent civilians is wrong.  What if they're not supportive or even against the war that is being fought?  What if they had no say in their country's entrance into the war?   Why should we be taking innocent lives away from people who deserve to live a full life?  Its just plain wrong.

You can't pass a survey around the factory asking who loves and supports our country before you bomb them.