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Bought 10m, thanks!

Just do whatever exercise is fun and gratifying to you. Sure if you're just starting out exercise might seem gruelling, but if after some time you aren't looking forward to your workout you are doing something wrong. Just keep a clear and open mind OP while you go through this and don't be afraid to stop partway through to go explore another form of exercise that may be calling to you. Trying to slave through something you begin to hate is a surefire way to turn you against exercise and return you to a sedentary lifestyle. Not trying to discourage you, I've just seen a handful of guys either get so fed up with some large goal that they quit altogether or grind out their fitness goal just to stop exercising for a long period of time because their past experience wasn't enjoyable. Have fun

I've always wondered how someone could do this. Do they live with their parents? Do the parents not give a shit? Not trying to joke either, I just don't understand how you can support yourself when you spend THAT much time doing something like runescape.

Funny convo, but you were acting like a tool dude...

I'd choose split and if they chose steal then I'd tell them to buy a real nice bodyguard with that money.

You can't pass a survey around the factory asking who loves and supports our country before you bomb them.

But that means he'd get beat 3 times a day... Hah, get it? Masturbation...

Completely agree. I personally see a lot of people my age joining the military right after High School that have no business getting into something so gruesome. Literally every one of the people I talked to used the free college deal as a reason for giving 8 years of their life to that organization. It's like they view it as a regular occupation.

So the guy shooting at me that doesn't want to be there but has no choice is somehow a civilian? Also the guy flying the troop transport plane right over my head that's about to deliver troops that will try to kill me is a civilian that shouldn't be shot down? War isn't pretty my friend. People die. A soldier is no different than any other person that works a 9-5. A lot, if not the majority, of people in the military are there because it's a good job as @Asap Ferg will do or because they were forced to by the state (think draft). War IS a game of battleships with human life. The generals deploying thousands to an area isn't thinking about each soldiers wants, desires, and dreams. No, he is thinking I need to have 1000 killing machines in this area in order to accomplish this goal. He knows some or even many will die, but that's what war is. Time to wake up from your little fairy tale.

Two things: 1) As I've said, the current affairs in the East are not relevant. They are killing civilians for no good reason. That's just mindless killing over there which I am strongly against. 2) What's an innocent civilian? It's nice to throw that word around and to say you can't kill them to make you feel all good inside for being a moral person, but what does that really mean? I think you'll find civilians aren't as innocent as you make them out to be in a time of war when you look deeper into it. This isn't a hypothetical question by the way. I really would love an answer because for me it's hard to think of one while still maintaining the innocent disconnected sense of the word that's often associated with it.

So by your own words, you are willing to commit murder to get a head start in life? Some how I'm the disgusting one for wanting to end a war as fast as possible but it's ok to murder others to get a free education and some money? Remember you won't have a choice as to where you go or who you kill. And if you throw a grenade into a building that you were told had a soldier in it but ended up to be a scared family, at least you get to go home with a nice wad of cash. Just the price you have to pay right? Not your fault, you weren't even expecting to have to go to war just because you joined a nation's military.

Exactly. I'd be interested to hear what the term civilian is in a time of war from a person that is against it. Is the pilot delivering troops to the battlefield a civilian? He isn't killing people, yet he is delivering a resource to the military.

Also why I think there is an increased prevalence in these mass killings. Look at any other species when it gets too overcrowded, they start killing one another. But now we are off topic.

War isn't about if I'm gonna get my feelings hurt. And the killing of civilians has happened in literally every single war ever. And if Canada goes to war in that time? You will be killing others that are possibly joining the military for the same reason.

As does every other nation that takes over an area. Ever hear of the people in and around Germany that were jealous of the Jews awesome camps? You're not gonna take some land over and tell the people there "we are the enemies, try to kill us".

Possibly defends it's nation for one. Provide security for other nations is another. The military isn't evil. I agree that what we are doing in the middle east is as you described and we shouldn't be there, but military in general? No.

I agree with everything other than the signing up for the forces. Sure now we can just sign up, but before there was the draft. And if there was another large scale war I'm sure it'd be back again. And I think hope that our current world leaders are smart enough to not use such a devastating weapon. The problem would be when you get those maniac suicidal leaders that wants death to everything moving. I agree with that mostly. But what about the country defending themself from this tyrannical nation? They definitely have a reason to be killing the enemy and in whatever means would lead to the swiftest victory.

If they are captive then the only way they're going back to the enemy military is if you release them. You can hold on to them until the end of the war. Or trade for your own POW's. But most of the people in the military also don't have a choice. Hence the draft. It's just what tool are you to the state? One that physically deals death or rather supplies the means to deal death. And yeah, the thing with factories and such is that there will be people in there working while you destroy it. No way around that.

Actually WW2 brought America out of the Great Depression. You also wouldn't be able to be communicating with me right now without these wars.

What you are describing sounds more like after you defeat a country. Which would be like killing POW's. Which I do not support.

What's the difference between killing a man now when he is supplying the army with bullets and killing him a year later when he is supplying the army a tool to deliver these bullets? Like I said, this doesn't pertain to the current issues in the East. Those type of civilian deaths aren't for the reasons I described.

The initial thought is "hell no", but hear me out. This doesn't really pertain to the current wars scaling in the East, but rather a look back at how WW2 was and if something like that were to happen again. In WW2 the Germans bombed British cities constantly. When the German army was finally on the decline the UK started bombing every square inch of the German land while the Americans tended to bomb more of the factories, other production plants, and major cities. Both sides killed millions of civilians. If this where to happen today there'd be an outcry about how evil and ruthless whoever it was is that's bombing the "innocent". This is where I believe people have it wrong. Civilians are the backbone for a country's war effort. Without them there are no taxes coming in, no supplies being made, no new soldiers being enlisted. You hit a country's backbone hard enough and they crumble (As the UK would of done without the US and as Germany did at the end). You ignore their backbone and keep hacking off their ligaments (deployed soldiers) then these ligaments keep growing right back and you have an incredibly long and drawn out war. Possibly a happy medium would be to do more of what the US did in WW2, which is to bomb the factories and plants primarily. Maybe some big cities too. Yes, civilians will be killed in the process. But here's the thing, they're not innocent. View their effort as another country. They provide troops, equipment, and money to the state. If another country did this they too would be considered an enemy and targeted accordingly. I know, it's not really the civilians choice in most war situations. They are often forced support their country. But that's life. If you're fighting someone you don't keep trying to hurt the arms and legs that are physically attacking you. Instead, you go right for where it hurts, their core or backbone if you will. Sure, the core isn't the one actually dealing the blows, but they are the supplier of the energy to the arms and legs. You stop their core and soon their arms and legs have no power. I vote to an extent. No you shouldn't ruthlessly kill civilians for no reason. As you shouldn't kill POW's. But yes, you should in the cases I described. Would love to hear some thoughtful opinions.

Not what I asked, but thanks for the spam anyways.