Forward, unto the new dawn.

[Deffiliate]

You're overlooking the fact that the average member does not fully comprehend the circumstances regarding why he or she has been banned. I personally do not know that much about Java or Runescape's bot detection, and I will admit to being a newbie, but I think you are also being vague. You talk about other games using software to detect patterns in the way the bots walk to 'catch' them. Though I don't doubt the authenticity of your statement, Runescape is its own game. It uses its own detection system. We have very intelligent developers and scripters on this forum, and we can take educated guesses at how Jagex bans us, but we can never know one hundred percent. The unfortunate truth is Jagex will never be at the point where they can ban nobody because they cannot tell a bot from a human player. They will always be one step ahead. The best we can do is stay one small step behind, so close that they cannot see how close we really are.

I never said I had all the answers. That's why i created this thread to ask for more people to get involved. Also, the statements I've made are valid theories. I never said they use separate software. They could either be running the pattern recognition in the client itself, or in a separate program which analyzes data gathered from when you play the game. Furthermore, I agree we can't know for %100, which is why we need as many people as possible testing out various theories and ideas.

[Ericthecmh]

Idea is great. Just one question... Why wants to spend 500 bucks creating 60 accounts to get them banned in various ways...? and 60 isn't even statistically significant.

 

also, I know that Laz is working on webwalking. He's shown me screenshots of his progress. It's coming along, and probably will be in by the official release.

[Deffiliate]

Idea is great. Just one question... Why wants to spend 500 bucks creating 60 accounts to get them banned in various ways...? and 60 isn't even statistically significant.

 

also, I know that Laz is working on webwalking. He's shown me screenshots of his progress. It's coming along, and probably will be in by the official release.

Thanks for being the first staff to show up in the thread

 

Main post has been updated

 

Also, our members are already getting banned by the masses, i'm just asking that they submit some info so that their deaths are not in vein.

 

If we want to beat this thing we really need to cover all our bases and experiment with as many theories as possible.

Edited June 4, 2014 by Deffiliate

[Impassive]

I remember someone on osbot posting a screenshot of their ban and Jagex specified "osbot" in the description of the ban. Perhaps they really can just detect the client and no matter how human-like or sophisticated the script or these "antiban" methods are, it wouldn't be any help? Just an idea... Do you think that's possible?

[Deffiliate]

I remember someone on osbot posting a screenshot of their ban and Jagex specified "osbot" in the description of the ban. Perhaps they really can just detect the client and no matter how human-like or sophisticated the script or these "antiban" methods are, it wouldn't be any help? Just an idea... Do you think that's possible?

Yes! This i indeed possible and I know which pictures you're speaking of. That being said, a few factors lead me to beleive that Jagex isn't detecting us solely based on which client we're using:

 

1) If Jagex could do this NOBODY would slip by un-detected, and the ban-rates would be the same anywhere you go (Nearly instant)

2) Over the past year+ Jagex has slowly improved upon their detection system. If they were doing this by simply detecting our client then the bans would have came in like a wrecking ball!

Edited June 4, 2014 by Deffiliate

[Dylan]

i like the handbot2.0, needs plugin - meth/energy drink to achieve maximum exp!.

 

0 bans thus far.

 

 

OT: grats on OSD

[Deffiliate]

i like the handbot2.0, needs plugin - meth/energy drink to achieve maximum exp!.

 

0 bans thus far.

 

 

OT: grats on OSD

Thanks bro

And I know dude, you made the transition to the dark side long ago. I cried for your life when you hit 99 def legit xD. You should start up an asian sweat-shop for RS.

[Impassive]

Yes! This i indeed possible and I know which pictures you're speaking of. That being said, a few factors lead me to beleive that Jagex isn't detecting us solely based on which client we're using:

 

1) If Jagex could do this NOBODY would slip by un-detected, and the ban-rates would be the same anywhere you go (Nearly instant)

2) Over the past year+ Jagex has slowly improved upon their detection system. If they were doing this by simply detecting our client then the bans would have came in like a wrecking ball!

 

Yes but remember that Jagex is still a business and I think they wouldn't ban all the bots even if they could. Bots increase player count which makes the game seem to have life and also it gives them money. Don't you see how confident they are about bringing in f2p? If they can detect clients, I think they would ban only a fraction of the bots each day to keep the player count from plummeting and also to encourage gold farmers to keep paying for membership which generates money for them. But then, why would they specify "osbot" and let their secret out? Haha, it's mind games  

LOOOL I just read your post again and noticed "came in like a wrecking ball". Gave me a good laugh.

[Deffiliate]

Yes but remember that Jagex is still a business and I think they wouldn't ban all the bots even if they could. Bots increase player count which makes the game seem to have life and also it gives them money. Don't you see how confident they are about bringing in f2p? If they can detect clients, I think they would ban only a fraction of the bots each day to keep the player count from plummeting and also to encourage gold farmers to keep paying for membership which generates money for them. But then, why would they specify "osbot" and let their secret out? Haha, it's mind games  

 

LOOOL I just read your post again and noticed "came in like a wrecking ball". Gave me a good laugh.

 

Glad we can still laff with such a grim outlook ;P

 

Everyone likes to say that about Jagex, but IMO they're banning bots with no prejudice, and as much as they possibly can. Sure, bots pay members, but they also kill the game. I believe Jagex's logic on bots is as follows:

 

Bots kill economy, and ruin the game for legit players.

Legit players leave.

Once all the legit players are gone, GP prices plummet, inflation occurs, and you being to have nothing but a bot-fest.

At this point, even the gold-farmers will leave since there's nobody to buy their gold.

 

Point being: Jagex knows bots are bad for the game, and aren't going to let anything stop them (Even potential $ from membership). I think this past year has been a testament to Jagex's determination to wipe bots off the map.

 

 

Edited June 4, 2014 by Deffiliate

[Impassive]

Glad we can still laff with such a grim outlook ;P

 

Everyone likes to say that about Jagex, but IMO they're banning bots with no prejudice, and as much as they possibly can. Sure, bots pay members, but they also kill the game. I believe Jagex's logic on bots is as follows:

 

Bots kill economy, and ruin the game for legit players.

Legit players leave.

Once all the legit players are gone, GP prices plummet, inflation occurs, and you being to have nothing but a bot-fest.

At this point, even the gold-farmers will leave since there's nobody to buy their gold.

 

Point being: Jagex knows bots are bad for the game, and aren't going to let anything stop them (Even potential $ from membership). I think this past year has been a testament to Jagex's determination to wipe bots off the map.

 

I've never looked it at like that... I think you're right. With legit players leaving, gold farmers leave too. So perhaps I am wrong in the client detecting possibility. Although it still puzzles me how they were able to specify osbot on that guy's ban...

[Deffiliate]

I've never looked it at like that... I think you're right. With legit players leaving, gold farmers leave too. So perhaps I am wrong in the client detecting possibility. Although it still puzzles me how they were able to specify osbot on that guy's ban...

It's a very good question. May be an important piece of info. we can use to solve this puzzle. One thought I had i nthe past is that they ARE able to detect our client, but don't feel that it's enough evidence for a ban. So after they've detected you're on a client they collect data on you and wait until they have a confirmed match.

[Th3]

Don't expect the web walking to be useful on release. It's going to take a long time for devs to tweak it to work right. Which will also make their task scheduler not work right.

[Deffiliate]

Don't expect the web walking to be useful on release. It's going to take a long time for devs to tweak it to work right. Which will also make their task scheduler not work right.

Let's have a bit of faith, I don't need to be de-moralized anymore than i already am.

 

Web- walking really isn't that complex, and there's tons of info available for it on the web. Literally the only thing the devs need to create is a system for gathering and updating the map data. I've got faith that they can complete at LEAST this tool.

 

I was thinking about the task scheduler earlier today, and i don't think it should depend on the web0walker at all. Instead, they should add 2 new boolean methods to the Script class: prepare() and finish(). In the finish() method you should return to a bank and deposit all your items then return true when this condition (And any other conditions specific to the script) are satisfied, and in the prepare() method you would withdraw any necessary items and get to the start location for the script. 

 

So for example, your time runs out for killing druids, so you return to a bank and deposit all lootations (Maybe even equipment too), next up you pick flax. The prepare method will run and withdraw a cammy tab then run to cammy bank before activating the onStart() of the script.

Edited June 4, 2014 by Deffiliate

[Impassive]

It's a very good question. May be an important piece of info. we can use to solve this puzzle. One thought I had i nthe past is that they ARE able to detect our client, but don't feel that it's enough evidence for a ban. So after they've detected you're on a client they collect data on you and wait until they have a confirmed match.

 

That is a possibility as it's possible to play legit while using this client and not being worthy of a ban. I have been botting on an account that I used to play on so that means it has tons of quests done and all around stats (lvl 30 this, level 20 that) and it's been working very well opposed to using accounts freshly made to gold farm. Perhaps that could help a lot, as I bot pretty heavily on this particular account (15 hours at a time). I know people don't have enough time to make such an account for botting, but perhaps what people need to do is reduce the total number of accounts running and increase the quality of them. Making them look like human stats I would predict would go a long way. After all, who would register and go cut trees for 10 hours a day for weeks and weeks? That alone is enough to ban someone in my opinion. 

[Alek]

Never been banned:

http://osbot.org/forum/topic/45618-preventing-rs-botting-bans/