Account Sale Suggestion.

[RoomScape]

People can giveaway accounts and then recover it (without penalty?) and this shouldn't be allowed. The person has no items on his account so he gives it away to someone else who trains it and puts items on it, then he recovers the account... The person is then indirectly (or directly, depending on your point of view) scammed.

 

Also, let's say I'm friends with @James. I do an account giveaway and say he wins and he gets the account. It would be seen as fair enough, but I was going to give him the account regardless because of our scam. Now, @James now has possession of the account. He then turns around and sells it. He may or may not disclose that he's not the original owner (or he may claim that he is to sell the account, but then retract it afterwards once the account has been recovered (by me) and someone opens a scam report on @James.

 

@James would then be cleared, since he's not the original owner, and we would get away with our scam.

 

Solution: Disallow account giveaways and/or make account sellers responsible for the safety of the account they're selling. If they can't recover the account, they shouldn't be selling it. That simple. You shouldn't sell something that isn't safe.

 

You can sell accounts if you're not the original owner, however, if the account gets locked or recovered, the seller then has the responsibility to recover said account.

 

*I'm not blaming or accusing anybody of anything, but I see a major flaw with this system*

 

http://osbot.org/forum/topic/44532-dispute-against-realife/

[Pink Clay]

so what i read is the owner is responsible for recovering the acc if it gets locked and if he doesnt he must refund? if so yes agree i dont think u need a brain to not agree with this

[RoomScape]

so what i read is the owner is responsible for recovering the acc if it gets locked and if he doesnt he must refund? if so yes agree i dont think u need a brain to not agree with this

Yeah, basically.

And don't let people give away accounts.

[lolmanden]

Support

Should be penalized.

[Empathyfaith]

That thread just pissed me off big time.

[Olaf]

I agree, Account giveaways are mainly for people to scam.

[Baller]

Support! dont let people giveaway accs

[Mikasa]

Personally, I agree.

It's too easy to recover accounts.

[Tony21412341]

I support this as well, if you giveaway an account and someone has items and trained skills up on it, recovering it is like stealing all that from him, therefore scamming.

[Gilgad]

People can giveaway accounts and then recover it (without penalty?) and this shouldn't be allowed. The person has no items on his account so he gives it away to someone else who trains it and puts items on it, then he recovers the account... The person is then indirectly (or directly, depending on your point of view) scammed.

 

Also, let's say I'm friends with @James. I do an account giveaway and say he wins and he gets the account. It would be seen as fair enough, but I was going to give him the account regardless because of our scam. Now, @James now has possession of the account. He then turns around and sells it. He may or may not disclose that he's not the original owner (or he may claim that he is to sell the account, but then retract it afterwards once the account has been recovered (by me) and someone opens a scam report on @James.

 

@James would then be cleared, since he's not the original owner, and we would get away with our scam.

 

Solution: Disallow account giveaways and/or make account sellers responsible for the safety of the account they're selling. If they can't recover the account, they shouldn't be selling it. That simple. You shouldn't sell something that isn't safe.

 

You can sell accounts if you're not the original owner, however, if the account gets locked or recovered, the seller then has the responsibility to recover said account.

 

*I'm not blaming or accusing anybody of anything, but I see a major flaw with this system*

 

http://osbot.org/forum/topic/44532-dispute-against-realife/

 

Account give aways are not going to be permitted anymore, i've added that as a rule, I always thought that was an obvious scam from the start.

 

On the topic of original owner and recovering accounts:

 

Let's say @Gilgad bought an account off say @James 6 months ago. Now, i've trained the account and I want to re sell it to another member. So in the section of "Original owner/email" I would say @James is the original owner, now the buyers are aware of this and they purchase at their own risk.

 

So, the buyer has bought the account off me, lets say 1 month later, @James recovers the account because he is scam quitting, should I be responsible for that recover? No.

 

I clearly stated on the thread upon sale that I am not the original owner, so the previous ones always have the chance of recovering. It's up to the user whether they want to buy it or not. I'm not going to restrict the market from people who want to sell accounts and aren't the original owner, that's just too much restriction on top of the already mass restriction there is.

 

If you have any other questions, just quote my post and reply so it comes up in my notifications.

[RoomScape]

Account give aways are not going to be permitted anymore, i've added that as a rule, I always thought that was an obvious scam from the start.

On the topic of original owner and recovering accounts:

Let's say @Gilgad bought an account off say @James 6 months ago. Now, i've trained the account and I want to re sell it to another member. So in the section of "Original owner/email" I would say @James is the original owner, now the buyers are aware of this and they purchase at their own risk.

So, the buyer has bought the account off me, lets say 1 month later, @James recovers the account because he is scam quitting, should I be responsible for that recover? No.

I clearly stated on the thread upon sale that I am not the original owner, so the previous ones always have the chance of recovering. It's up to the user whether they want to buy it or not. I'm not going to restrict the market from people who want to sell accounts and aren't the original owner, that's just too much restriction on top of the already mass restriction there is.

If you have any other questions, just quote my post and reply so it comes up in my notifications.

i don't get it.

I never said people can't sell accounts if they aren't the original owners.

In that case, @James should then recover the account (I think the seller should try prior to @James, though). @James would only really attempt it if the seller can't recover it.

In the event that neither can recover, that I'm unsure about. It would have to depend on the reason. If it's locked, maybe the seller would have to refund partial, if not all? If the account is recovered then James or the second seller would have to pay up.

Now, in the event that someone is selling an account that they aren't the original owner of, they are fully responsible of everything. They will be considered the original owner and have all the responsibilities that go along with it.

I'm not sure about this, but I believe that after 6-12 months of uninterrupted use of an account that the current owner would then be a full owner, therefore he should be able to recover it with ease, depending on how actively that person played RS.

In the event that the original owner has quit the site, the seller may or may not be fully responsible, it all depends on the situation, though, to be honest.

[Gilgad]

i don't get it.

I never said people can't sell accounts if they aren't the original owners.

In that case, @James should then recover the account (I think the seller should try prior to @James, though). @James would only really attempt it if the seller can't recover it.

In the event that neither can recover, that I'm unsure about. It would have to depend on the reason. If it's locked, maybe the seller would have to refund partial, if not all? If the account is recovered then James or the second seller would have to pay up.

Now, in the event that someone is selling an account that they aren't the original owner of, they are fully responsible of everything. They will be considered the original owner and have all the responsibilities that go along with it.

I'm not sure about this, but I believe that after 6-12 months of uninterrupted use of an account that the current owner would then be a full owner, therefore he should be able to recover it with ease, depending on how actively that person played RS.

In the event that the original owner has quit the site, the seller may or may not be fully responsible, it all depends on the situation, though, to be honest.

 

"In that case, @James should then recover the account (I think the seller should try prior to @James, though). @James would only really attempt it if the seller can't recover it."

 

Yes, but it's up to James, no one can force anyone to do anything, the user bought at their own risk. (Just saying).

 

"Now, in the event that someone is selling an account that they aren't the original owner of, they are fully responsible of everything. They will be considered the original owner and have all the responsibilities that go along with it."

 

No, there have been multiple disputes basically with the same thing, accounts being locked, accounts being recovered however the original owner was not on OSBot. (This was before I implemented that you had to state who the original owner was). I agreed with that assumption at first, but then I got told off and said you can't say he's the original owner simply because he can't prove who the other one is, it's at a null. 

 

Someone who isn't the original owner can't have the responsibilities of the original owner, how the heck does he recover lol.

 

"I'm not sure about this, but I believe that after 6-12 months of uninterrupted use of an account that the current owner would then be a full owner, therefore he should be able to recover it with ease, depending on how actively that person played RS."

 

Why after 6 months does one become a full owner of an account when they're not? They're not the original owner, period. I'm the original owner of around 8 accounts that i've sold for high prices, it's been around 6 months. Are you saying that now that it's been 6 months, I can just recover those accounts off of whoever they re-sold it too? IE: I sell to bla bla, wait 6 months, bla bla sells to who who, wait a month, i recover, bla bla is responsible because it's been 6 months so he's the owner now.

 

No, I'm the original owner, I get penalised for committing the recover crime.

 

"In the event that the original owner has quit the site, the seller may or may not be fully responsible, it all depends on the situation, though, to be honest."

 

Again, the seller is not responsible for the previous owners actions, they are not them. If they put on the thread who the original owner is, then that's that. It's up to the user whether they want to take the risk or not. The most we would expect of the seller is to contact the original owner and say give the account back you filthy scammer.

 

It's not his fault the original owner recovered.

[RoomScape]

"In that case, @James should then recover the account (I think the seller should try prior to @James, though). @James would only really attempt it if the seller can't recover it."

Yes, but it's up to James, no one can force anyone to do anything, the user bought at their own risk. (Just saying).

"Now, in the event that someone is selling an account that they aren't the original owner of, they are fully responsible of everything. They will be considered the original owner and have all the responsibilities that go along with it."

No, there have been multiple disputes basically with the same thing, accounts being locked, accounts being recovered however the original owner was not on OSBot. (This was before I implemented that you had to state who the original owner was). I agreed with that assumption at first, but then I got told off and said you can't say he's the original owner simply because he can't prove who the other one is, it's at a null.

Someone who isn't the original owner can't have the responsibilities of the original owner, how the heck does he recover lol.

"I'm not sure about this, but I believe that after 6-12 months of uninterrupted use of an account that the current owner would then be a full owner, therefore he should be able to recover it with ease, depending on how actively that person played RS."

Why after 6 months does one become a full owner of an account when they're not? They're not the original owner, period. I'm the original owner of around 8 accounts that i've sold for high prices, it's been around 6 months. Are you saying that now that it's been 6 months, I can just recover those accounts off of whoever they re-sold it too? IE: I sell to bla bla, wait 6 months, bla bla sells to who who, wait a month, i recover, bla bla is responsible because it's been 6 months so he's the owner now.

No, I'm the original owner, I get penalised for committing the recover crime.

"In the event that the original owner has quit the site, the seller may or may not be fully responsible, it all depends on the situation, though, to be honest."

Again, the seller is not responsible for the previous owners actions, they are not them. If they put on the thread who the original owner is, then that's that. It's up to the user whether they want to take the risk or not. The most we would expect of the seller is to contact the original owner and say give the account back you filthy scammer.

It's not his fault the original owner recovered.

Sorry, second part I meant that if the original owner isn't on osbot, then that would happen.

[WhenPigsFly]

i agree that the user should should be the original owner of the account and that he/she needs to do anything to get the account back to the person who purchases the account. if he cannot get the account back that means he was not the original owner.

 

 

[Gilgad]

Will be implementing the no gifting accounts rule today, however the rest stays the same.

 

Archiving.