Dispute against Pain (Recovered Max Main)

[G4ng]

Disputed member: http://osbot.org/forum/user/28460-pain/

Thread Link: No link

Issue: He sold me his friends Max main, whom he claimed he trusted at the time, His friend recovered today.

Explanation: Alright this is going to take a while.

**The account has a 2 day ban**

Pain sold me an account back in mid July I believe, he wanted 200$ price for the account, which I agreed. I paid 200M 07 GP and gold was roughly 1.1$/m if you were selling to resellers. So I technically overpaid by paying 220$. I didn't even mind it cause at the time I didn't care too much and was content with getting the account.

 

Fast forward to about 2 weeks ago, I posted the account for sale offsite (Hidden)  Didn't get too many offers at the beginning, but then I got a 350$ offer by a friend of mine who I've sold my own accounts to in the past. I also was in the process of showing the account to a potential buyer who had a budget of maximum 600$. I was going to sell it this weekend, didn't have time throughout the weekdays to stay up and show it to either potential buyers as there is about 10 hour difference in time zone. My aim was to get 400$ minimum for the account.

 

Now fast foward to today, pain left me these messages today. 

[9:02:19 AM] pain: yo

[9:19:55 AM] pain: let me know when u get on

[11:00:08 AM] pain: my friend was trying to get some off the accounts he sold to me unbanned

[11:00:16 AM] pain: and he recovered the 1 I sold to you by mistake

[11:00:32 AM] pain: let me know

[11:00:34 AM] pain: when u get on

[11:00:36 AM] pain: so i can give it back

[12:08:05 PM] G4ng: Ok

[12:09:25 PM] G4ng: I'll be online later today

[12:09:39 PM] pain: kk

[12:09:40 PM] pain: let me know

[7:06:46 PM] pain: tell me

[7:06:48 PM] pain: when u get on

Pain left me these messages, my initial thoughts just made me think the above is true, was willing to accept the account back and problem solved.

 

Then this is the discussion we had: (Full conversation) 

[9:02:19 AM] pain: yo

[9:19:55 AM] pain: let me know when u get on

[11:00:08 AM] pain: my friend was trying to get some off the accounts he sold to me unbanned

[11:00:16 AM] pain: and he recovered the 1 I sold to you by mistake

[11:00:32 AM] pain: let me know

[11:00:34 AM] pain: when u get on

[11:00:36 AM] pain: so i can give it back

[12:08:05 PM] G4ng: Ok

[12:09:25 PM] G4ng: I'll be online later today

[12:09:39 PM] pain: kk

[12:09:40 PM] pain: let me know

[7:06:46 PM] pain: tell me

[7:06:48 PM] pain: when u get on

[8:17:33 PM] G4ng: yo I'm home

[8:17:40 PM] G4ng: is it raining in jordan

[8:17:52 PM] pain: nope

[8:17:52 PM] pain: btw

[8:17:56 PM] G4ng: ye

[8:18:02 PM] pain: the guy recovered 10 accounts off mine

[8:18:08 PM] pain: I can give u the acc but leggit

[8:18:10 PM] G4ng: he got some unbanned?

[8:18:10 PM] pain: don't take it

[8:18:11 PM] pain: take gp

[8:18:13 PM] G4ng: why

[8:18:13 PM] pain: no

[8:18:15 PM] pain: he took them

[8:18:17 PM] pain: and blocked me

[8:18:22 PM] G4ng: I don't understand

[8:18:25 PM] pain: he scammed me

[8:18:27 PM] pain: 10 accounts

[8:18:30 PM] G4ng: your frined?

[8:18:32 PM] pain: yea

[8:18:34 PM] pain: so called friend

[8:18:40 PM] G4ng: I thought you knew him irl

[8:18:43 PM] pain: no

[8:18:52 PM] pain: I said I knew him online for ages

[8:18:56 PM] G4ng: who is he

[8:19:01 PM] pain: not on osbot

[8:19:05 PM] G4ng: wheres he from

[8:19:16 PM] pain: I think he was on sythe

[8:19:20 PM] G4ng: well bro

[8:19:27 PM] G4ng: what you gonna pay.........

[8:19:33 PM] pain: i can give u the acc

[8:19:33 PM] pain: or gp

[8:19:37 PM] pain: full refund

[8:19:38 PM] pain: no worries

[8:19:39 PM] G4ng: I don't understand

[8:19:40 PM] pain: I'm not going

[8:19:42 PM] pain: to fuck u

[8:19:44 PM] pain: over

[8:19:50 PM] G4ng: you still have the account?

[8:19:57 PM] pain: ye but he recovered 10 off my accounts

[8:20:00 PM] pain: and said he will recover more

[8:20:04 PM] pain: so i don't want to give it to u

[8:20:06 PM] pain: i want to give u gp

[8:20:15 PM] pain: i can show u the pm

[8:20:16 PM] pain: on kik

[8:20:19 PM] G4ng: Well I'm not gonna accept what I originally paid for it

[8:20:26 PM] G4ng: cause I had 350$ offer

[8:20:39 PM] pain: well I'm not paying 350$ for it

[8:20:43 PM] pain: i told u

[8:20:47 PM] pain: what ever u worked on the acc

[8:20:49 PM] pain: ill pay u that

[8:20:51 PM] pain: + a full refund

[8:20:53 PM] pain: not paying more

[8:20:53 PM] G4ng: I got barrow gloves man

[8:20:59 PM] G4ng: spent like 10m on prayer

[8:21:00 PM] pain: u did ?

[8:21:04 PM] G4ng: yes...

[8:21:07 PM] G4ng: I did so many quests

[8:21:08 PM] pain: o

[8:21:10 PM] G4ng: and requirements

[8:21:12 PM] G4ng: all legit

[8:21:14 PM] pain: then ill pay u

[8:21:16 PM] pain: for that

[8:21:17 PM] pain: no worries

[8:21:19 PM] pain: i wont fuck u over

[8:22:02 PM] pain: o well

[8:22:04 PM] pain: guess ill give u

[8:22:05 PM] pain: 350m

[8:22:07 PM] G4ng: no

[8:22:11 PM] G4ng: gp is 0.9 dude

[8:22:30 PM] G4ng: Look I'm not trying to be cheap or some shit

[8:22:37 PM] G4ng: when I paid you I paid 200M 07, when you wanted 200$

[8:22:44 PM] G4ng: and gold at the time easily sold for 1.1 ish

[8:24:15 PM] pain: ima

[8:24:16 PM] pain: calc

[8:24:17 PM] pain: everything

[8:24:30 PM] G4ng: alright whatever

[8:24:40 PM] G4ng: could you do 400$ worth

[8:24:50 PM] G4ng: I was going to get a lil more out of the guy that offered

[8:25:01 PM] G4ng: If you can do that consider the problem solved

[8:25:09 PM] pain: aww no

[8:43:11 PM] pain: I did calc it

[8:43:13 PM] pain: with my friends

[8:43:16 PM] pain: ill refund u 300$

[8:43:18 PM] G4ng: no

[8:43:28 PM] G4ng: I spent way more time questing man.

[8:43:31 PM] G4ng: Got Fire cape

[8:43:38 PM] G4ng: Spent 10m alone on 3 pray levels or so

[8:43:48 PM] G4ng: and I originally overpaid you..

[8:43:58 PM] G4ng: did it out of kindness because I didn't mind

[8:44:15 PM] G4ng: but now I'm tight on money

[8:44:26 PM] G4ng: I have few packages at that shop and ship shit stuck

[8:44:29 PM] pain: u didn't over pay me

[8:44:31 PM] G4ng: cause I can't pay the

[8:44:32 PM] pain: u don't like it

[8:44:34 PM] pain: u can dispute me

[8:44:40 PM] G4ng: okay

[8:44:40 PM] pain: I gave u the offer u I have

[8:44:48 PM] G4ng: you just matched the 350$ offer earliar

[8:45:00 PM] G4ng: I don't understand your logic

[8:45:09 PM] G4ng: and I didn't wanna make a dispute out of it

[8:45:48 PM] pain: i didn't match it

[8:45:50 PM] pain: i calced

[8:45:51 PM] pain: what u did

[8:45:57 PM] pain: and asked  questers

[8:45:57 PM] G4ng: Alright whatever

 

Before I move on, let me point out some flawed logic, and what I think really is going on:

Pain claims his friend scammed him, okay. How come he has full access to the account right now? and he's insisting I take a refund instead of the account back (Which I'm totally fine with taking a refund because I don't want future problems after selling the acc). 

I honestly think pain just has another buyer for the account for a higher price and thinks he can rip me off by refunding me whatever he gets a quote for by whoever he asked and told him 300$. This conspiracy theory of mine makes complete sense to me.

 

Let me further explain how account sales go in the black market.. People only pay top dollar for the account when the seller has great rep as well as a GOOD history of selling accounts and standing by his accounts he has sold when the buyer runs into an issue (Account gets locked, hacked, etc...)  This is my opinion on why I was getting a 350$ offer and possibly more over the weekend (Now that I have time to show the account to the buyers). 

Note: Keep in mind in no way on my thread offsite did I mention I am the original owner so you don't think I'm trying to be deceptive here.

 

Some noticeable work I've done on the account:

• Got the account barrow gloves from like 50 quest points or something.
• Got the account a fire cape
• Paid roughly 10m for 72-75 prayer (Dragon bones I believe)
• Paid X amount of mills to level separate skills (requirements for barrow gloves and other separate skills
• Got the account 98-99 attack

 

Solution: I'm not overpricing the account by ANY means, by claiming I want 500$+. I just want 400$ (which I find to be very reasonable sale price I was going to aim for when selling the account) as I'm not the Original owner.

I'm very sorry for pain if he really did get scammed, but you can't justify all the work I've done on the account for a mere 80$, not to mention the joy I've had using the account for things I used to do back in 2014 (PKing/staking...)

 

Link to offsite sale thread: hidden

 

Don't take this remark very serious, but I unfortunately think the outcome of this dispute will be heavily a biased one. 

 

 

 

Evidence: Not going to post any yet, as he doesn't deny the work I've done on the account.

[Saiyan]

I've requested @Pain to respond here and explain.

 

From looking at this, you make an inference that he has the account still in his posession.

 

@Pain can you show evidence that the OO has been recovering your accounts? 

 

Also, I wouldn't make a claim that he has took the account for his own needs since Pain does say "I can give you the account back" but if he did i'm sure it'd get recovered again so he's opting for the refund I assume

 

[jackshow]

I am making this post to support @Pain's claim that his friend recovered the account. I feel like this is relevant information regarding the outcome of the dispute on Pain.

 

Not sure if I can post here, but the person who sold Pain the account is @Nightmares.

Nightmares was mine and @Pain's friend.

 

Today I woke up to him deleting me on Skype. He also deleted @risky on Skype as well as @Pain.

Nightmares, Risky, Pain and I were all very close friends. Nightmares recently got himself in debt irl from what he said, and has opted to recovering accounts to pay it off from what I was told.

I am making this post to support @Pain's claim that his friend recovered the account.

[Pain]

1)    First of all, In regards to the "I over paid him by giving him 200M gp instead of $200 at the time". Not once did I claim I wanted $200, I wanted 200M So whether or not GP was 1.1 at the time or not is irrelevant, I wanted 200m.

 

2)    Secondly, Coming up with a theory that I have lined up a secondary buyer to profit (not that I need to profit any more than I already do) is absurd. I initially offered to give you the account, but due to the nature of the situation i decided to  refund your gold purely down to the fact that I, as the account seller, didn't feel safe with returning the account back to you due to the fact it was just recovered. This is me looking out for you and you try to turn this around into a conspiracy?

 

3.1)    " People only pay top dollar for the account when the seller has great rep as well as a GOOD history of selling accounts and standing by his accounts he has sold when the buyer runs into an issue (Account gets locked, hacked, etc...)  This is my opinion on why I was getting a 350$ offer and possibly more over the weekend (Now that I have time to show the account to the buyers)."

3.2) "Note: Keep in mind in no way on my thread offsite did I mention I am the original owner so you don't think I'm trying to be deceptive here."

Now then. You open up with point 3.1 and build up a back story like, you had an account with this standing, considering I don't actively sell accounts, and I am not known for such, this point is invalid unless you're referring to your own reputation on PB. Which then leads to point 3.2, if you're not claiming you're the OO, then why on your PB thread do you not state that you're not the original owner. Which leads me to believe you're trying to base the account price off your reputation which would nullify point 3.1

 

As for the total Work done on the account 

1-53 fishing

13-70 cooking

30-51fm

41-56 wc

1-59 farming

52-54 agility

18-50 herblore

17-53 thieving

35-61 crafting

14-56 fleching

1-9 hunter

38-47 rc

72-75 prayer

98-99 attack

50-176 qp  

was this which is not worth 200$ 

as for proof :

 

hidden

 

[G4ng]

Well sorry to say, I only mentioned I was selling the account in chat box either yesterday or 2 days ago.

I find it quite awkward (or a coincidence??) for the recovery only to happen today. 

[Saiyan]

 

1)    First of all, In regards to the "I over paid him by giving him 200M gp instead of $200 at the time". Not once did I claim I wanted $200, I wanted 200M So whether or not GP was 1.1 at the time or not is irrelevant, I wanted 200m.

 

2)    Secondly, Coming up with a theory that I have lined up a secondary buyer to profit (not that I need to profit any more than I already do) is absurd. I initially offered to give you the account, but due to the nature of the situation i decided to  refund your gold purely down to the fact that I, as the account seller, didn't feel safe with returning the account back to you due to the fact it was just recovered. This is me looking out for you and you try to turn this around into a conspiracy?

 

3.1)    " People only pay top dollar for the account when the seller has great rep as well as a GOOD history of selling accounts and standing by his accounts he has sold when the buyer runs into an issue (Account gets locked, hacked, etc...)  This is my opinion on why I was getting a 350$ offer and possibly more over the weekend (Now that I have time to show the account to the buyers)."

3.2) "Note: Keep in mind in no way on my thread offsite did I mention I am the original owner so you don't think I'm trying to be deceptive here."

Now then. You open up with point 3.1 and build up a back story like, you had an account with this standing, considering I don't actively sell accounts, and I am not known for such, this point is invalid unless you're referring to your own reputation on PB. Which then leads to point 3.2, if you're not claiming you're the OO, then why on your PB thread do you not state that you're not the original owner. Which leads me to believe you're trying to base the account price off your reputation which would nullify point 3.1

 

As for the total Work done on the account 

1-53 fishing

13-70 cooking

30-51fm

41-56 wc

1-59 farming

52-54 agility

18-50 herblore

17-53 thieving

35-61 crafting

14-56 fleching

1-9 hunter

38-47 rc

72-75 prayer

98-99 attack

50-176 qp  

was this which is not worth 200$ 

as for proof :

 

hidden

 

 

 

Well sorry to say, I only mentioned I was selling the account in chat box either yesterday or 2 days ago.

I find it quite awkward (or a coincidence??) for the recovery only to happen today. 

 

 

Ok, Pain has submitted evidence which proves that the OO is indeed responsible for all of these recoveries. Offering to pay you GP is the best option so that nullifies the argument that he's recovered the account for his own personal benefit to resell it to someone at a higher price.

 

 

Now this is where it get's tricky, the amount to refund. We're going to work by gold amount  (OSRS gold) and not USD since you paid him originally 200M for the account and not 200 USD so it's only fair that you get refunded in the same currency. 

 

@Pain have you got screenshots of the account stats before you sold? and can you provide the account stats from the highscore page (from today) include the date time stamp also.

 

Thanks

[Pain]

Ok, Pain has submitted evidence which proves that the OO is indeed responsible for all of these recoveries. Offering to pay you GP is the best option so that nullifies the argument that he's recovered the account for his own personal benefit to resell it to someone at a higher price.

 

 

Now this is where it get's tricky, the amount to refund. We're going to work by gold amount  (OSRS gold) and not USD since you paid him originally 200M for the account and not 200 USD so it's only fair that you get refunded in the same currency. 

 

@Pain have you got screenshots of the account stats before you sold? and can you provide the account stats from the highscore page (from today) include the date time stamp also.

 

Thanks

Hidden stats of accounts

 

[G4ng]

Ok, Pain has submitted evidence which proves that the OO is indeed responsible for all of these recoveries. Offering to pay you GP is the best option so that nullifies the argument that he's recovered the account for his own personal benefit to resell it to someone at a higher price.

 

 

Now this is where it get's tricky, the amount to refund. We're going to work by gold amount  (OSRS gold) and not USD since you paid him originally 200M for the account and not 200 USD so it's only fair that you get refunded in the same currency. 

 

@Pain have you got screenshots of the account stats before you sold? and can you provide the account stats from the highscore page (from today) include the date time stamp also.

 

Thanks

 

Haha, that's quite absurd, whatever he says. He wanted 200$ originally, sure I don't have proof of it because the deal went through the chatbox, 200M was equivalent to 220 USD at the time.

I did not mention I was the Original owner in my sales thread and never claimed I was Original owner to any interested buyers. 

 

No, I will not be accepting "the same currency" shenanigan, that's just another attempt to lower the refund price.

 

As I said previously, the outcome of this dispute is going to be heavily biased, and I still stand by it. Now that I think of it, I request that this dispute be dealt with by a separate moderator/ admin who is not in close friendship with Pain / his friends. 

[Saiyan]

Hidden stats of accounts

Ok I can confirm the gains made on the account.

 

Account has a 2 day ban. 

 

We're going to base the price check of this account based on the stats and items/quests done not the cost of how much it'd be for a servicer to reproduce since they all vary and price checks are far more accurate

 

Any issues with this? 

 

Just to add on, you claim you got an offer for $350 but offer's aren't guaranteed meaning there always subject to be negotiated.  Also, don't get me wrong but if you bought the account for 200M, and you got it barrows gloves, 98-99 attack and all the other listed skills above even if you were to pay someone a service of doing that 

I doubt they'd charge +200M for that. 

 

Like I said before services always vary but iirc Decode charges 150M for lvl 3 no gloves to barrows and this is a (well pretty much maxed main acc when you bought it) so saying the account is worth 400$ which is obviously more than 400M $0.9-$1 gold prices isn't really an accurate measure. I'm not even being biased but I doubt you'd have gotten paid that amount for an account.

Haha, that's quite absurd, whatever he says. He wanted 200$ originally, sure I don't have proof of it because the deal went through the chatbox, 200M was equivalent to 220 USD at the time.

I did not mention I was the Original owner in my sales thread and never claimed I was Original owner to any interested buyers. 

 

No, I will not be accepting "the same currency" shenanigan, that's just another attempt to lower the refund price.

 

As I said previously, the outcome of this dispute is going to be heavily biased, and I still stand by it. Now that I think of it, I request that this dispute be dealt with by a separate moderator/ admin who is not in close friendship with Pain / his friends. 

Im not a close friend of his? I don;t know why you'd assume that. I don't care what gold was equivalent to at the time. You paid him 200M that's the end of it. Maybe you should stop and think and ask yourself am I the one who's trying to increase my refund chances. You're not going to receive special treatment it's not our fault that the currency of gold crashed. I doubt you'd be genuine and offer a lower refund if the price of gold was above 1.1/1.2 at this current time anyway.

[Maldesto]

Refund is $350 like originally agreed on. You have 48 hours to refund. Not dealing with the stupid shit. You sold the account he told you the work he put in it. You agreed to 350 then a few mins later changed your mind.

[Pain]

i never agreed to 350$ ? i told him 300$ 

[G4ng]

Ok I can confirm the gains made on the account.

 

Account has a 2 day ban. 

 

We're going to base the price check of this account based on the stats and items/quests done not the cost of how much it'd be for a servicer to reproduce since they all vary and price checks are far more accurate

 

Any issues with this? 

 

Just to add on, you claim you got an offer for $350 but offer's aren't guaranteed meaning there always subject to be negotiated.  Also, don't get me wrong but if you bought the account for 200M, and you got it barrows gloves, 98-99 attack and all the other listed skills above even if you were to pay someone a service of doing that 

I doubt they'd charge +200M for that. 

 

Like I said before services always vary but iirc Decode charges 150M for lvl 3 no gloves to barrows and this is a (well pretty much maxed main acc when you bought it) so saying the account is worth 400$ which is obviously more than 400M $0.9-$1 gold prices isn't really an accurate measure. I'm not even being biased but I doubt you'd have gotten paid that amount for an account.

Im not a close friend of his? I don;t know why you'd assume that. I don't care what gold was equivalent to at the time. You paid him 200M that's the end of it. Maybe you should stop and think and ask yourself am I the one who's trying to increase my refund chances. You're not going to receive special treatment it's not our fault that the currency of gold crashed. I doubt you'd be genuine and offer a lower refund if the price of gold was above 1.1/1.2 at this current time anyway.

 

That's the end of it? Bro, think of this logically, I've NEVER seen a dispute on a black market thread progress this quickly, it's quite obvious you're siding with him. I am not asking for special treatment I'm asking for fair treatment, as I've been scammed out of an account I owned, and no longer can sell it if I do decide to accept the account.

Who in their right mind would agree 80$ is plenty enough for all the work I've done on the account.

[Pain]

[Maldesto]

You told him 350m gp. So give him that

[Pain]

You told him 350m gp. So give him that

well 350m isnt 350$ and i offered to give him that but he started bitching how he wants 400$