Dieze Account Recovery

[qf3]

Disputed member: http://osbot.org/forum/user/184511-dieze/

Thread Link: http://osbot.org/forum/topic/83741-200fbdiezes-account-shop-f2p-pures

Explanation: I scammed a user on sythe, and he claims due to that reason its ok to recover my account. It had over 40M+ In items, and I paid 40M+ for the account itself. 

Evidence: https://gyazo.com/fcd6201c7419e75277c947f2d2470a23

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[Saiyan]

 

Disputed member: http://osbot.org/forum/user/184511-dieze/

Thread Link: http://osbot.org/forum/topic/83741-200fbdiezes-account-shop-f2p-pures

Explanation: I scammed a user on sythe, and he claims due to that reason its ok to recover my account. It had over 40M+ In items, and I paid 40M+ for the account itself. 

Evidence: https://gyazo.com/fcd6201c7419e75277c947f2d2470a23

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Both of you are placed in twc.

 

@Dieze you counter scammed so what refund was given to the user qf3  scammed?

 

Also post the evidence where video told you to  recover the account you sold qf3.

 

Finally post evidence of what was refunded to the user as proof. Amounts etc.

[Dieze]

Both of you are placed in twc.

@Dieze you counter scammed so what refund was given to the user qf3 scammed?

Also post the evidence where video told you to recover the account you sold qf3.

Finally post evidence of what was refunded to the user as proof. Amounts etc.

Think the TWC is unnecessary when I messaged you on Skype hours ago about it with all the evidence but ok

I won't be able to post anything until tomorrow, however I Pmed everything to you and Dex over 12 hours ago all the evidence is there? Feel free to post what I sent you, otherwise I can post it tomorrow morning when I'm actually online properly.

I'll be able to respond in around 16-18 hours from now, if still required

[Maldesto]

Think the TWC is unnecessary when I messaged you on Skype hours ago about it with all the evidence but ok

I won't be able to post anything until tomorrow, however I Pmed everything to you and Dex over 12 hours ago all the evidence is there? Feel free to post what I sent you, otherwise I can post it tomorrow morning when I'm actually online properly.

I'll be able to respond in around 16-18 hours from now, if still required

And I'm asking for it, not from them, but from you. Disputes aren't handled on skype, or wherever you did it, but here for records. Apparently there was a lot more than the amount scammed from the user, so what did you do with the extra gp/supplies + what are you doing with the account?

I'm not sure how much he scammed, I need to see the disputes on sythe + to see what was provided back to the guy he scammed.

[Dieze]

And I'm asking for it, not from them, but from you. Disputes aren't handled on skype, or wherever you did it, but here for records. Apparently there was a lot more than the amount scammed from the user, so what did you do with the extra gp/supplies + what are you doing with the account?

I'm not sure how much he scammed, I need to see the disputes on sythe + to see what was provided back to the guy he scammed.

Will respond when I'm back online tomorrow with the evidence. It was 400m he was scammed under the same username QF3.

[Dieze]

sythe pm from Video (admin) originally requesting to talk to me (at this point i didnt know what it was about): https://vgy.me/s8pBHv.png

Video then requesting me to recover the accounts, to compensate the individual that QF3 scammed for 400m somewhat: https://vgy.me/4zWN5V.png

this is QF3's ban report on sythe: hidden

 

this is QF3 admitting to it (i believe) but it was edited: hidden

 

current state of the ordeal, i'm waiting still for the original victim to accept my skype request so i can organise repayment - video is aware of this and is happy of the state of things, and if you want to contact him can validate all the information i provided and back me up, if you need anymore evidence or information let me know.

 

If any mod from Osbot made any request like this to me, obviously i'd help where possible, which is all i've done over at sythe so not sure why i'm being penalised for this over here, it wasnt even my idea i was acting upon request's from administrators.

[Saiyan]

sythe pm from Video (admin) originally requesting to talk to me (at this point i didnt know what it was about): https://vgy.me/s8pBHv.png

Video then requesting me to recover the accounts, to compensate the individual that QF3 scammed for 400m somewhat: https://vgy.me/4zWN5V.png

this is QF3's ban report on sythe: hidden

 

this is QF3 admitting to it (i believe) but it was edited: hidden

 

current state of the ordeal, i'm waiting still for the original victim to accept my skype request so i can organise repayment - video is aware of this and is happy of the state of things, and if you want to contact him can validate all the information i provided and back me up, if you need anymore evidence or information let me know.

 

If any mod from Osbot made any request like this to me, obviously i'd help where possible, which is all i've done over at sythe so not sure why i'm being penalised for this over here, it wasnt even my idea i was acting upon request's from administrators.

Ok so basically you're waiting on the user who got scammed by qf3 to reply to your friend request so you can send him what exactly?

The full account? Wealth on the account? 

[Dieze]

Ok so basically you're waiting on the user who got scammed by qf3 to reply to your friend request so you can send him what exactly?

The full account? Wealth on the account? 

 

Yes, he will get the two accounts recovered + the wealth on the accounts which was just under 50m

 

I chased up the skype request today (resent it) and also pmed him on sythe this morning (incase he ignored the skype request), but he's not been online since thursday (on sythe)

 

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if he doesnt want the accounts, i don't mind buying the accounts off him since im the original owner and can re-sell, but that's completely up to the victim and isn't really related to the counter-scam, more what he wants to do with the accounts afterwards etc.

 

Still not entirely sure the reason as to the TWC, i was acting upon admins decisions and i've seen counter scams happened in the past so dont see the issue? If someone can advise on the reason to the TWC? Am i considered a risk?

[Dieze]

Also, just thought i'd add to the dispute, QF3 mentioned above that he found me from osbot, when he contacted me he made no reference to this whatsoever,

 

As you can see from the image below, it was his sythe thread he linked for a vouch - i didnt even realise he had an account here

 

https://vgy.me/QQmbmz.png

[Saiyan]

Yes, he will get the two accounts recovered + the wealth on the accounts which was just under 50m

 

I chased up the skype request today (resent it) and also pmed him on sythe this morning (incase he ignored the skype request), but he's not been online since thursday (on sythe)

 

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if he doesnt want the accounts, i don't mind buying the accounts off him since im the original owner and can re-sell, but that's completely up to the victim and isn't really related to the counter-scam, more what he wants to do with the accounts afterwards etc.

 

Still not entirely sure the reason as to the TWC, i was acting upon admins decisions and i've seen counter scams happened in the past so dont see the issue? If someone can advise on the reason to the TWC? Am i considered a risk?

Umm  

 

if he doesnt want the accounts, i don't mind buying the accounts off him since im the original owner and can re-sell, but that's completely up to the victim and isn't really related to the counter-scam, more what he wants to do with the accounts afterwards etc.

 

 

Why would you buy your own accounts off him if he doesn't want them in the first place? 

 

Secondly not saying what you did was good or bad but if you're going to be giving the victim two accounts are you going to let him take full ownership and sell them etc? 

And I assume when you said there was just under 50m worth of wealth is 50m total from both the accounts or just one.

[Dieze]

Umm

if he doesnt want the accounts, i don't mind buying the accounts off him since im the original owner and can re-sell, but that's completely up to the victim and isn't really related to the counter-scam, more what he wants to do with the accounts afterwards etc.

Why would you buy your own accounts off him if he doesn't want them in the first place?

Secondly not saying what you did was good or bad but if you're going to be giving the victim two accounts are you going to let him take full ownership and sell them etc?

And I assume when you said there was just under 50m worth of wealth is 50m total from both the accounts or just one.

Not sure what you mean, if he doesn't want the accounts, which are technically his when I've given them to him, I'm just giving him an option to sell them to me if he doesn't want to keep? That's for him to decide, he can have the accounts and use them for whatever he wants, or sell them me, or sell them to someone else. There his accounts (or will be) and he can choose what he wants to do with his compensation

50m over the two accounts, he will basically be getting the 50m plus the two accounts which I mentioned earlier

[Saiyan]

Not sure what you mean, if he doesn't want the accounts, which are technically his when I've given them to him, I'm just giving him an option to sell them to me if he doesn't want to keep? That's for him to decide, he can have the accounts and use them for whatever he wants, or sell them me, or sell them to someone else. There his accounts (or will be) and he can choose what he wants to do with his compensation

50m over the two accounts, he will basically be getting the 50m plus the two accounts which I mentioned earlier

Ok. 

 

I know you did this out of the kindness of your own heart but to be fair you shouldn't really get involved with someone else's affairs. I mean we may have let you off since your intention was genuine and kind but next time I'd recommend you not interfere since what if qf3 decides to refund the user he scammed at the expense of twc or the equivalent at Sythe are you going to refund qf3 with the account? What if there are complications like the victim sold the account to someone else or it gets banned? All that is going to happen is you'll get penalised for that and it'll become a cluster fuck of issues.

 

Not saying you did the right thing or the wrong thing but you shouldn't act as a Robin Hood just for the expense of someone you've never met. I mean at the end of the day if you said 'No' Video really can't take action against you and force you since that'd make him an ass or a tyrant so don't do it in fear.

 

Since you've already gone through with this and there is no going back i'm going to let you slide off with this. In the future don't do this again. 

 

This is also a message for everyone don't counter scam since it's not the best idea and it can bite you in the ass at the end of the day.

 

About your twc I'm fine to remove it but I'll ask  the staff what they think but I doubt it'll be removed until the victim get's his 'compensation' back and you send proof of him receiving in what you stated above

[Dieze]

Ok.

I know you did this out of the kindness of your own heart but to be fair you shouldn't really get involved with someone else's affairs. I mean we may have let you off since your intention was genuine and kind but next time I'd recommend you not interfere since what if qf3 decides to refund the user he scammed at the expense of twc or the equivalent at Sythe are you going to refund qf3 with the account? What if there are complications like the victim sold the account to someone else or it gets banned? All that is going to happen is you'll get penalised for that and it'll become a cluster fuck of issues.

Not saying you did the right thing or the wrong thing but you shouldn't act as a Robin Hood just for the expense of someone you've never met. I mean at the end of the day if you said 'No' Video really can't take action against you and force you since that'd make him an ass or a tyrant so don't do it in fear.

Since you've already gone through with this and there is no going back i'm going to let you slide off with this. In the future don't do this again.

This is also a message for everyone don't counter scam since it's not the best idea and it can bite you in the ass at the end of the day.

About your twc I'm fine to remove it but I'll ask the staff what they think but I doubt it'll be removed until the victim get's his 'compensation' back and you send proof of him receiving in what you stated above

I won't name names, but I know some people on this site have counter scammed on sythe previously, and this has never been brought up over here. QF3 knows he is in the wrong and I don't know what sane individual would think he would be entitled to a refund when he has scammed more

Relating the cluster fuck you mentioned, I believe he would have to refund the difference at least, but if he refunded the full amount, in complete fairness he would deserve the loss for causing the issue in the first place.

In regards to the sythe admin contacting me, in hindsight he has put me in a difficult situation and I see that now, however I don't think helping the victim is the wrong course of action, but that's just my personal opinion and everyone is entitled to their own

Regarding the TWC, I find it unfair I am being penalised here, when over on sythe (where technically the scam and counter scam has happened), I'm holding repayment for someone who may or may not come online in the near future, without any restrictions?

The TWC rank, in my eyes, are for those who have caused concern for their trust to be questioned, and trading with them generally may have negative consequences. Personally, I don't think this is a fair reflection of myself given the circumstances and what I've contributed to the community and market since being here; and also I do believe a lot of the more trusted and known characters on this site would have no issue in trusting and trading with me; however newcomers to the site will have a view quite different with what the rank suggests.

Do you personally feel people should have caution when trading with me? Especially for the value of 100m? Also within TWC, most of the market is off limits so if the victim doesn't come online for some time, I'll be unfairly affected.

[Dieze]

I best add before it confuses matters more, the 100m is a rough cash equivalent of the total refund, 50m cash and the two accounts are worth around 50m

[Saiyan]

I won't name names, but I know some people on this site have counter scammed on sythe previously, and this has never been brought up over here. QF3 knows he is in the wrong and I don't know what sane individual would think he would be entitled to a refund when he has scammed more

Relating the cluster fuck you mentioned, I believe he would have to refund the difference at least, but if he refunded the full amount, in complete fairness he would deserve the loss for causing the issue in the first place.

In regards to the sythe admin contacting me, in hindsight he has put me in a difficult situation and I see that now, however I don't think helping the victim is the wrong course of action, but that's just my personal opinion and everyone is entitled to their own

Regarding the TWC, I find it unfair I am being penalised here, when over on sythe (where technically the scam and counter scam has happened), I'm holding repayment for someone who may or may not come online in the near future, without any restrictions?

The TWC rank, in my eyes, are for those who have caused concern for their trust to be questioned, and trading with them generally may have negative consequences. Personally, I don't think this is a fair reflection of myself given the circumstances and what I've contributed to the community and market since being here; and also I do believe a lot of the more trusted and known characters on this site would have no issue in trusting and trading with me; however newcomers to the site will have a view quite different with what the rank suggests.

Do you personally feel people should have caution when trading with me? Especially for the value of 100m? Also within TWC, most of the market is off limits so if the victim doesn't come online for some time, I'll be unfairly affected.

You're in twc cause at the moment nothing has been given to the victim yet and you have recovered from someone. Yes that someone may be a scammer but two wrongs don't make a right. 

 

Did video or you even think to consider if the victim would still stick around after the scam? You told me yourself on Skype that the dude might have quit 

 

On 17/09/2016, at 17:36, Jack wrote:

> 400m is a lot to most people. Enough to not come back for a while

 

If that is the case, then what will happen to the account? If you decide to take the stuff for yourself that'll just make you no better than qf3. Like I said before counter scam's are no better than scams. 

 

Yes you've hurt qf3 in a place where it stings but you've benefited yourself so until the victim get's the wealth and items you'll be in TWC still.

 

If the victim never decides to come back you'll basically be no better than qf3. 

 

This isn't personal but it's the truth