To release or not to release?

 

Hopefully this thread will help you make an informed decision as to whether the GMC SuperScript is beneficial or detrimental to the community and botting as a whole.

 

Firstly, let me explain what the script is. The script is intended to be used as a high level 'script making' tool, whereby you can enter non-technical instructions into the script (in standard english), which will then be converted to a multitude of lower level Java instructions, predefined in the script. Apparently, it can be used to make ANY script you want. However, there are obviously limitations on this, with things such as: walking back to original location after death; making decisions as to what consumables (potions, food, etc..) should be banked/put into inventory based on the current state/environment of the script (e.g. just died, just encountered pker, just encounted jmod); and changing tasks half way through script (like a slayer script would do).

 

With the script, a user could potentially save a lot of money. Instead of buying many separate scripts for individual tasks, one could simply buy the GMC SuperScript for all their requirements (except for scripts that require some specialist tasks I outlined earlier). One thing that immediately springs to mind with this is what you're actually paying for. You're merely paying for an interface between you and Java, that allows you to form a script without writing actual Java code. So who is providing the service here? The user is responsible for the running of each script. There would be nobody to consult for fixing bugs. As Dashboard said himself, after the script is released, there will be no need for me to maintain it.

 

On the other hand, this could provide an opportunity for people that don't know Java to have a go at a form of 'scripting'. But, again, you're merely paying for the interface between you and Java, not any actual guaranteed functionality. This could also cause problems generally, in the community. Who would you consult if your script doesn't work? There would be no assigned individual to fix specific bugs. This would probably lead to admins receiving a lot of spam from inexperienced users (don't deny there are a lot of inexperienced users in the community).

 

In addition to this, apart from very few specialist scripts, the only person receiving any revenue from scripts would be Dashboard. The amount of money going towards OSBot would decrease significantly, as there would be no need for users to purchase more than one script. Although the implications of this may not be evident at first, they will definitely be noticeable in the long-term: admins will be demotivated to work on improving the client; less money will be available to improving the servers; and admisn wont be able to hire developers to work on particular aspects of the API (for example BrainFree is currently hired to work on a new global walking addition to the API). However, you could argue that the admins will be relieved of the burden of being informed about non-functioning/buggy scripts on a daily basis. This may be true, but I believe this burden will be replaced with an even heavier burden of dealing with complaints about individual user's scripts being non-functional.

 

There will also be the problem of issuing refunds for users that can't get the script to work the way they want it to. This will create even more work for the admins. It could even lead to an increase in chargebacks. This could inevitably lead to the OSBot paypal being limited, which would cause major problems.

 

Aside from that, a point that is relevant to me and other scripters is that there would be no place in the community for us. The community would suddenly become very one-dimensional, with everything centering around this script. This will mean there will be no innovation going on behind the scenes, which is never good for a community that relies on creative development of scripters.

 

I won't write a conclusion. I'll let you make your own conclusion based on what I've said above.

Feel free to vote in the poll above.

Thanks for reading.

 

Link to GMC SuperScript thread: http://osbot.org/forum/topic/6653-releasing-a-big-script-in-a-few-days-taking-function-requests/#entry72953

 

People will vote without looking at the facts because it benefits them individually. I hope this poll receives some fair votes!

stark this is not the case with this script it has option to do anything but if there were also pre made perfect scripts like ATMERCHER AND YOUR GDK i would prefer to use them for jobs such as that however GMC Superscript looks like a good script and would be very beneficial to do the smaller jobs such as tan hides and also if someone has a money making idea they want to keep themselves then they can make thier own little script to this. Therefore it is a good idea for the GMC superscrript to be released personally i dont think it would have much of an impact on any of the other premium script sales. I can see where you coming from saying it will have an affect on a few sales but i dont think people will be able to make a script like your GDK script through this super script. If they did it would take them a hell of a long time.

I am trying to look at it on both sides of a script developer and makers side and also a script user side however i dont think the impact upon script developers will be too much of a hit. It just gives script users more freedom thats all.

Hope this sums up my feelings as i am a big fan of you Stark and also a big fan of Dashboard.

Edited August 2, 201312 yr by SAHI

I voted.

 

1.  No, I think it would be detrimental to the community and botting in general
2.  

 

So you are saying dashboard made a script that was TOO good? Even as a scripter myself, I want it to be released.

So you are saying dashboard made a script that was TOO good? Even as a scripter myself, I want it to be released.

Just presenting people with an unbiased viewpoint, so they can make their own conclusion based on the information in the post.

Edited August 2, 201312 yr by Stark

GMC SuperScript is genius. It should without doubt be released.

 

 

Let's not talk about script that are currently broken...

I think SuperScript is really useful for a lot of people. If you own the script you have the potentials to create simple script for routines which the user doesn't want to perform by him- herself. 

If the SuperScript is released it would mean that scripters who tend to sell their script have to work harder to create more advanced and origional scripts. This is good because it will improve the amount of quality scripts in this community.

The point of a premium script is that it is something that holds a lot of value. If it could be replicated with the SuperScript it isn't really premium worthy. Scripts that prove to be impossible to be replicated by the SuperScript will still be sold.

I voted yes. I would trust a specialized premium script over Dash's script, and I'm sure others would as well. I doubt most people will be able to make their own super scripts, as simple as it is.

 

And I don't believe for a second that through sponsor, VIP, and script sales that if the super script were to be sold the devs wouldn't make enough profit to justify their work.

 

Make it $12/mo.

Edited August 2, 201312 yr by TheSaint

Voted no, every scripter should have a chance to release Premium scripts with some customers.

So you are saying dashboard made a script that was TOO good? Even as a scripter myself, I want it to be released.

 

That is not what he is saying. He actually made some fair points that the script is not "too good." Nonetheless, just because a script can do a large amount of things does not make it better. Precision.

Voted no, every scripter should have a chance to release Premium scripts with some customers.

 

Every scripter that asks money for his/her script should make sure it is good enough to be premium. If it is, it will still sell just as much. If you create a complicated and advanced script it will be impossible to replicate the same methods with this SuperScript.

Edited August 2, 201312 yr by Krulvis

Something like this is good for the community. The only reason (guessing by the way to wrote your explanation) you posted this was to make people question the existence of this script and by doing so make want to ban it. The reason for this is because you don't want to have a competitor. You will have to make better scripts then those that people are making with this "interface".

Ever see people advertise products that are "hand-made" because they are better quality ? It's like that for this script. Script writers know how Java works and how to work with it. The user of this interface just knows and is limited to pushing buttons. Everything you can do is customizable and will thus be better.

I think it's time that script writers are forced to keep up with their work (the premium ones) and therefor giving a high quality service because if they don't people will just make their own version.

 

Besides this isn't the first time someone made a script like this...

BRAINFREE sent me this message on skype:

Cons:

-Every step action is already pre-programmed, you can't adjust them, so there is not way of optimizing it for a unique given situation.

-Scripts that it can make, are scripts that can already be made in 30 minutes or less (if people keep using / adjusting old methods).

-Large scale (advanced scripts) will be more poorly structured the larger the node pool gets, and will soon break down reliability.

Pros:

-Allows for fresh programmers to get a feel of the basic structuring of script logic and processing.

-MUCH Simpler to make boring scripts.

Edited August 2, 201312 yr by Dopey

Cons:

 

-Every step action is already pre-programmed, you can't adjust them, so there is not way of optimizing it for a unique given situation.

-Scripts that it can make, are scripts that can already be made in 30 minutes or less (if people keep using / adjusting old methods).

-Large scale (advanced scripts) will be more poorly structured the larger the node pool gets, and will break down reliability.

 

Pros:

 

-Allows for fresh programmers to get a feel of the basic structuring of script logic and processing.

-MUCH Simpler to make boring scripts.

 

This COULD bring MORE MONEY to OSBot if they made it for VIP+

 

I dont know what the main source of income is for OSBot...but if i had to take a wild guess, id say ppl buying VIP/Sponsor. If you were to make this script available to ONLY VIP/Sponsor. Im pretty sure everyone and there mom would come from Advertising other bots isn't allowed. to OSBot to get access to this.

 

I dont think it would prevent ppl buying scripts. Like someone else said, if theres a better more precise version on the SDN  9/10 times im pretty sure ppl would opt for that.

 

This would be great for doing random tasks that there really arent scripts for.

Edited August 2, 201312 yr by Adriana

No. I admire the fact that you are trying to help other users but I also know you can understand why I would say no. 

 

I think it would be better for people in the long run if they actually learn how to write scripts themselves. It would also be better for the community as we would have more experienced script writers. 

 

If, however, you do decide to release it, please make it at least $15.99 on the SDN so we don't have every single new user using it to make pointless SPAM scripts and have a massive flood of low-experience written scripts on the OSBot forums.

 

Not to mention people would stop buying scripts from the SDN because they can make almost any script they desire.