I'm an atheist but I respect people who have faith in religions, if it gets them through their day to day lives who am I to tell them not to believe. 

 

I think it's silly and we need to move past religion as it's suppressed advancement for hundreds of years and in order for true peace we would all have to move past that and just start living without it so there's no more wars based on who's God is better. But it will never happen, so let people believe what they want to believe. 

"Prove God exists."- Non-Believers.

 

"Prove God doesn't exist."- Believers.

 

 

We find ourselves in a loop of circular reasoning when it comes to religion. Both sides take faith, whether you are an atheist or not. So in reality, the constant struggle of who is right, and who is wrong will remain until we die. Once dead, we will know who is truly correct.

 

I for one, am a believer. If you would like to talk about beliefs I will expound further in private message. I will leave you however with this thought. Say God is really dead, and what I believe is wrong. Nothing happens, we both die. Say what I believe is correct, which I know 100% in my mind it is. Then you will end up in an eternity in hell.

 

Think about it.

We find ourselves in a loop of circular reasoning when it comes to religion. Both sides take faith, whether you are an atheist or not. So in reality, the constant struggle of who is right, and who is wrong will remain until we die. Once dead, we will know who is truly correct.

 

I for one, am a believer. If you would like to talk about beliefs I will expound further in private message. I will leave you however with this thought. Say God is really dead, and what I believe is wrong. Nothing happens, we both die. Say what I believe is correct, which I know 100% in my mind it is. Then you will end up in an eternity in hell.

 

Think about it.

Your last part of your post, about ending up in hell if  you're not a believer, its true for you. 

But some people can't get themselves to wrap their minds around a religion and accept it, even with a motivator like "going to  hell for eternity" to push them. Some of us can't choose what we believe and what we don't >.>

 

I believe though, i really think everything we do is judged and we'll see in the end

We find ourselves in a loop of circular reasoning when it comes to religion. Both sides take faith, whether you are an atheist or not. So in reality, the constant struggle of who is right, and who is wrong will remain until we die. Once dead, we will know who is truly correct.

 

I for one, am a believer. If you would like to talk about beliefs I will expound further in private message. I will leave you however with this thought. Say God is really dead, and what I believe is wrong. Nothing happens, we both die. Say what I believe is correct, which I know 100% in my mind it is. Then you will end up in an eternity in hell.

 

Think about it.

Yep serving that sentence now and always will be #hell bound

Though i would like to open your statement up, say that we both die and neither of those happen?

Through my experience through life i've came up with enough reasoning to know that this religion thing is more bs than anything

Smart. Will you save me then? I don't want to go to hell...

If god is real then he must not be a very nice person; I mean. What kind of person with all that power would stand by and watch while children are dying of starvation every day and people around the world are in need of very basic things in life.

And if he's "Guiding" people then why do most children in rural Africa end up dead? And the ones that manage to survive on their own are rewarded by becoming child soldiers for warlords. Don't you think that the world is just a little too foul at the moment to have a god?

 

In The ******** Science section 125, The Madman; Friedrich Nietzsche first stated the iconic phrase, "God is Dead".

 

"God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?”

 

This is probably one of the most true quotes that still applies today. God is dead.

You're a fool. God is the reason I haven't killed myself. I went through multiple mental disorders, Adhd, Generalized Anxiety Disoder, Ocd, ect. And I was bullied for 3 years. I've been through mental Hell and back, I pray to God and he answers even though I don't deserve a single thing, if you can be as spoiled as people are now days and not realise this, Grow Up.

I'm in tears day by day, being bullied, going through Anxiety attacks, MASSIVE Ocd attacks, and you sit behind your computer screen in your comfy chair and type that?

Look at the Philippines, they travel 3 hours one way multiple times a week to go to Church in over 100 Degree weather cramped together with 30 other people, they make 4 Dollars a day working 10 hours of hard labor and still tithe, They are going through the World's worst recorded Typhoon in history, and they still worship God with all their might.

My teacher, Mrs. Ross, was homeless countless times as a kid, had drunks for parents, has been to probably 20-30+ funerals, and diligently runs a school for 10 grand a year, a Christian school, and She STILL worships God.

I know a man who just lost his wife to cancer who he was married to for around 60 years, he came to church the following Sunday praising God for the time he had with her, regardless of his broken heart.

God has answered my dad's prayers constantly, my teacher's, I don't understand how a Country formed off of Christian principles, heck, even the world itself, refuses to see this, it's disgusting.

I'm ashamed that anyone could talk bad of the Lord that continues to shine light on the just and unjust, and refuse to see what he does.

My teacher prayed for a man to be saved for over 20 years, her brother.

He came to her door with a broken belt, he tryed to kill himself. After 20 years, that happened, he lived, and Mrs. Ross showed him the gospel, and he's a great man.

He went from a broken drug addict to a healthy man, parent to a young healthy girl, happy, and living a GREAT life.

Now tell me again how God is dead...

 

 

How does you not killing yourself mean that God exists? Because a bunch of Philippines go to church everyday does not mean that God exists, it just means that they are dedicated to being blind.

"Nietzsche is dead." ~ God

 

Honestly, too much time is spent arguing about something that no one really knows for sure. That is why there is faith. The end.

To be honest, I don't believe you should be bringing in such quotes, whether you believe or not believe, keep them to yourself, it's disrespectful to people who actually do believe God exists, like myself, I am a happy Christian, and I don't believe you should speak openly about things that can affect other people, and their view of religion, keep these things to yourself, and you are not weak, nor is God an Idol, you believe because you choose to, and that will benifet you and you only, it doesn't help the people who don't want to believe or decide to believe in science,

 

and their is alot of proof that God actually does exist, I don't know how people believe that science knows and claims everything, were only people were all flawed no one is perfect therefore, how can you take the word of science, as the great quote goes, ''Science can only go so far then there is God''. Thats a good quote, such a powerful quote, to remind you that there is always going to be greater authority than humans, and science, don't go ahead of yourselves and judge people who believe, its better to believe in something than to believe in nothing, I know what I believe in is right, and your not seeing me preach, but what your doing is plain rude, and disrespectful to other religions, and especially people who do believe in the Lord, our God.

 

So please in future, use some logic and show some respect.

 

With kind regards,

Addrian

Heres my two cents. I'll try to keep it simple. 

 

According to science, matter cannot be created nor can it be destroyed. If that's so, then where did this all come from?

 

Many people would respond to this as such,"this couldn't have happened out of nothing ... but something far more powerful could have!"or the alternative"this can't have always existed ... but something far more powerful could have!"

 

This is the problem i have with the "infinite causes theory" for lack of a better term. Yes, I agree that everything, in this universe, must have a cause. But, assuming that there was a creator that caused the universe into existence, the laws of the creation do not necessarily affect the actions of the creator. For the sake of argument i am going to assume that there is a creator of the universe. If he created everything around us, everything we see and do not see, and one of those foundational principles of the universe is that everything must have a cause, it still does not mean that the creator is affected by it. Creator > Creation. So therefore the creator does not necessarily need to have something that caused it to come into existence. He/She/It is not subject to the laws of his/her/its own creation

 

Sorry if that was a little vague, im not exactly the most articulate person

 

But I do know that something cannot be made out of nothing. It is impossible. I don't fully deny and reject the theory that the universe is possibly expanding from a single point. It could be true, it could not be true, but i have not seen enough evidence to justify that theory. I am not going to accept the notion that humans are just a sole little quirk, or stain upon the face of the earth that just happened to develop intelligence, and that there is nothing more out there that is more wise or capable than us. I think humans, so far, have proven that we can not possibly understand the mathematics and complexity that comprises even a single atom, much less of the entire known universe. I refuse to believe that we are a product of chance; here today, gone tomorrow, with no purpose.

According to science, matter cannot be created nor can it be destroyed. 

 

 

But I do know that something cannot be made out of nothing. It is impossible. 

 

 

 

Both matter and antimatter have been generated from vacuums by scientists.

Your statements are false.

 

I agree that everything, in this universe, must have a cause. 

 

The initial cause can't have a cause. 

The initial cause might have been "divine creation", but I don't think it was. You can believe what you want, I'll just wait for the scientists to come up with reasonable answers.

 

 

 

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According to science, matter cannot be created nor can it be destroyed. 

 

 

But I do know that something cannot be made out of nothing. It is impossible. 

 

 

 

Both matter and antimatter have been generated from vacuums by scientists.

Your statements are false.

 

 

 

A vacuum cannot be created from nothing. It needs a lack of something, which is matter, which according to science would have to be existing. The concept of a vacuum only exists because there is matter to take away. Therefor, my statement is true. 

 

 

According to science, matter cannot be created nor can it be destroyed. 

 

 

But I do know that something cannot be made out of nothing. It is impossible. 

 

 

 

Both matter and antimatter have been generated from vacuums by scientists.

Your statements are false.

 

 

 

A vacuum cannot be created from nothing. It needs a lack of something, which is matter, which according to science would have to be existing. The concept of a vacuum only exists because there is matter to take away. Therefor, my statement is true. 

 

 

The definition of vacuum is "empty of matter".

It therefore requires lack of something, matter, you're right about that one.

The current ways scientist generate vacuums is indeed by subtraction

However there is no proof that the nearly perfect vacuums that are found in space were created the same way scientist make them here on earth.

 

Something might actually be able to come forward out of nothing, here are at least 2 high profile scientists disagreeing with your initial statement:

 

According to science, matter cannot be created nor can it be destroyed. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUe0_4rdj0U

Religion is a cushion.

However there is no proof that the nearly perfect vacuums that are found in space were created the same way scientist make them here on earth.

 

 

Something might actually be able to come forward out of nothing.

 

 

 

 

 

This is my point. Scientific belief completely relies on faith as well. That a "magic vacuum" a "foreign entity" exists even though we have never seen or have no proof of it. Which is why it is so hypocritical to say that "God does Not exist", as a statement, rather than saying "Well, even though we have hard evidence through science, it is still possible that there could be a creator out there somewhere."