[Community Poll] Official OSBot Scripts

[Shudsy]

I feel like OSbot's script prices aren't fairly high and compared to other sites which offer weekly or monthly trials for higher prices than OSbot's lifetime ones. Scripters having the huge and popular scripts doesn't leave on a regular basis and therefore it isn't really a huge "risk" as users didn't spend a huge amount of money on the script initially.

Scripts written by the OSbot dev team will also probably only contain the essentials, and a lot of users will probably complain about the lack of their dear "antiban" measures. You will obviously also have the people who will complain that official OSbot scripts will become too large and will become a well known "pattern" for jagex.

 

This will only hit the scripters with the huge amount of scripts as they are usually the ones with the popular gathering scripts. Scripters like me who does more specific money making methods and combat spots doesn't really care too much about it.

Edited April 22, 2017 by Shudsy

[Final]

If anything, we should use it to incentive VIP purchases, we offer too many features for free.

[Alek]

5 minutes ago, k9thebeast said:

yea duh..... I dont think you are understanding what im saying....

My issue is you are injecting yourself and others of the dev team into the market and using your positions to grant you status to increase script sales that grant you money.

I do not believe that you are purely doing this for altruistic reasons. If so you would have defined some terms in which you and the rest of the members of the staff team would be compensated fairly rather than completely for profit. Like @Czar and @Khaleesi you should be just as responsible for advertising and promoting your scripts and not using your position as a member of the OSBot team / SDN Manager to call your scripts "OSBot Verified". This goes for you and any future member of the dev team. If you are profitting off the scripts, they are your scripts.

So you're saying that Microsoft shouldn't release premium versions of Microsoft Visual Studio or Microsoft Office because it's unfair to other companies who wish to sell their software? You keep using singular terms such as "member", "you", and "your". I've consistently said "team" and "company". These scripts would be release by the company, not by me labeling it as "OSBot Official".

[Alek]

2 minutes ago, Shudsy said:

I feel like OSbot's script prices aren't fairly high and compared to other sites which offer weekly or monthly trials for higher prices than OSbot's lifetime ones. Scripters having the huge and popular scripts doesn't leave on a regular basis and therefore it isn't really a huge "risk" as users didn't spend a huge amount of money on the script initially.

Scripts written by the OSbot dev team will also probably only contain the essentials, and a lot of users will probably complain about the lack of their dear "antiban" measures. You will obviously also have the people who will complain that official OSbot scripts will become too large and will become a well known "pattern" for jagex.

 

This will only hit the scripters with the huge amount of scripts as they are usually the ones with the popular gathering scripts. Scripters like me who does more specific money making methods and combat spots doesn't really care too much about it.

Pretty much the point I was trying to make. For instance a woodcutter would probably not support the special trees, woodcutting guild, getting house favor, plank support, etc. whereas a scripter can add the fancy paints, customizations, and extra features. However it would be an official script so our customers have the peace of mind knowing that their script will last forever. 

It gives more options for the customer. Also it would only be 5 "essential" script categories. I don't think we would ever have something like official quests, minigames, money making, etc. Also it would be very unlikely to even have a fletcher, smither, herblore, or construction script. 

[k9thebeast]

8 minutes ago, Alek said:

So you're saying that Microsoft shouldn't release premium versions of Microsoft Visual Studio or Microsoft Office because it's unfair to other companies who wish to sell their software? You keep using singular terms such as "member", "you", and "your". I've consistently said "team" and "company". These scripts would be release by the company, not by me labeling it as "OSBot Official".

Microsofts employees dont make money of sales of premium versions of visual studio, or get paid comission on every sale.

Please answer these questions.... 

• Who proffits off these scripts, the initial release will get the most buyers, does the dev team get the money?
• How is this fair to future maintainers of your script?
• Wont future maintainers continue to add features to increase sales since they didnt get the initial release payday?
• Who decides what scripts are released? Same point as above

Edited April 22, 2017 by k9thebeast

[Shudsy]

1 minute ago, Alek said:

Pretty much the point I was trying to make. For instance a woodcutter would probably not support the special trees, woodcutting guild, getting house favor, plank support, etc. whereas a scripter can add the fancy paints, customizations, and extra features. However it would be an official script so our customers have the peace of mind knowing that their script will last forever. 

It gives more options for the customer. Also it would only be 5 "essential" script categories. I don't think we would ever have something like official quests, minigames, money making, etc. Also it would be very unlikely to even have a fletcher, smither, herblore, or construction script. 

Aslong as the scripts are premium then it should be fine.

Do the users want the essentials where they can feel safe knowing that the script will last aslong as OSbot, or do they want a script with more features but where they have to depend on a third party scripter.

[k9thebeast]

9 minutes ago, Shudsy said:

Aslong as the scripts are premium then it should be fine.

Do the users want the essentials where they can feel safe knowing that the script will last aslong as OSbot, or do they want a script with more features but where they have to depend on a third party scripter.

If the dev team was paid to make VIP+ scripts such as simple woodcutters ect I would support that.

[darkxor]

11 minutes ago, Alek said:

Well the difference is, is that any point someone like Khaleesi or Czar could leave and their scripts can break. At this point the customer is out of luck and would be forced to repurchase. It may seem like a crazy idea, but 5uck had a much bigger script presence than Czar and AT Team was much bigger than everyone here. 

Good idea on the feedback system, but unfortunately it can be incredibly flawed. Scripters sabatoge each other all the time; at some point there will be a "Vote broken for all Khaleesi's scripts for a free auth" program. Additionally what if the client has a broken hook and all the script users decide to flag it as broken? What if the botter is running 100 stolen accounts all on the same ip for that script, gets banned, then blames the script?

 

Hmm... yeah see. Then maybe making some scripts those have support will be good thing. But its not "OSBot Official" scripts, but something like "Actively supported by OSBot Team".

It will not solve problem of scripters leaving but will make users ability to choice from tracked and supported by OSBot Team scripts and those aren't.

You will also need a way to get bug reports on scripts. Can make "Report script bug" feature built-in in bot that will send screenshot + logs + some info (position, inventory, skills, quests, equipment etc) + user-supplied description to server and put into script's bug reports list. Then OSBot Team developer / scripter can check for bug reports and respond on them. Can indicate bug report responding speed.

Any feedback-based system can be flawed, but as i see OSBot Forum feedback system is working somehow, and same will be with script feedback system.

"Vote broken for all Khaleesi's scripts for a free auth" should be prohibited and lead in script developer who making such advertisement punished. Cant hide such actions usually.

As for broken hook - yeah will be such problem but it can be fixed by clearing negative feedbacks made during bot broken time.

I dont tell you it will be fast to make feedback system working as intended but it can truly solve problem of users not understanding current status of script (they will know if they buy a cat in the poke or not) and reaction time will be fast when script become broken - tons of users will report negative to motivate script developer fix it. When he fixes - they can change their negative feedback to positive, some feedbacks will remain negative but LAST feedbacks will become positive. Also user count actively using script will grow up.

[Alek]

Good input @darkxor

[darkxor]

11 hours ago, Alek said:

But why?

It seems our customers are very unhappy purchasing scripts only to find out that the scripter has left the community and their purchases just vanished into thin air. This would give customers a certain amount of protection which cannot be given by the current system.

Please post your thoughts below.

Basically just trying to point you out that maybe Official Scripts is not solution for the problem you mentioned in first post.

[Shudsy]

2 minutes ago, k9thebeast said:

If the dev team was paid to make VIP+ scripts such as simple woodcutters ect I would support that.

No. You're paying for a script that will last forever. VIP should be for other purposes. OSbot users tend to want everything for free and a lot of them are massive leechers.

The thing with this idea is that you have to make sure that the users know that there won't be huge features for the scripts.

A lot of OSbot users have been spoiled by getting scripts with a massive amount of features for a really low cost. I doubt a lot of them would be willing to pay for a script with only the essential features because they are used to being able to choose between several scripts with a lot of features.

This has to be premium scripts as osrs doesn't get new content often enough for scripters to keep making new scripts. If you keep pushing free scripts or VIP+ scripts on the SDN, they will eventually just drive out the premium ones.

[k9thebeast]

6 minutes ago, Shudsy said:

No. You're paying for a script that will last forever. VIP should be for other purposes. OSbot users tend to want everything for free and a lot of them are massive leechers.

The thing with this idea is that you have to make sure that the users know that there won't be huge features for the scripts.

A lot of OSbot users have been spoiled by getting scripts with a massive amount of features for a really low cost. I doubt a lot of them would be willing to pay for a script with only the essential features because they are used to being able to choose between several scripts with a lot of features.

This has to be premium scripts as osrs doesn't get new content often enough for scripters to keep making new scripts. If you keep pushing free scripts or VIP+ scripts on the SDN, they will eventually just drive out the premium ones.

I challenge Alek to answer my bullet points above. You cannot say to scripters who've spent thousands of hours advertising their woodcutters and fishers that they are all of a sudden getting boxed out by a developement team from OSBot that is now going to receive all sales because of their elavated position. 

16 minutes ago, darkxor said:

Hmm... yeah see. Then maybe making some scripts those have support will be good thing. But its not "OSBot Official" scripts, but something like "Actively supported by OSBot Team".

Isnt this what I said? AGREED

[Alek]

5 minutes ago, k9thebeast said:

I challenge Alek to answer my bullet points above. You cannot say to scripters who've spent thousands of hours advertising their woodcutters and fishers that they are all of a sudden getting boxed out by a developement team from OSBot that is now going to receive all sales because of their elavated position. 

Isnt this what I said? AGREED

I've already detailed why a customer would want to choose a non-official script over an official script, but I'm really talking in circles right now. I'm going to see what everyone else has to say about the main issue of the topic, which is customers losing their scripts and if this is a good solution which both sides can agree on. 

[k9thebeast]

2 minutes ago, Alek said:

I've already detailed why a customer would want to choose a non-official script over an official script, but I'm really talking in circles right now. I'm going to see what everyone else has to say about the main issue of the topic, which is customers losing their scripts and if this is a good solution which both sides can agree on. 

Youre not answering my questions in terms of exactly how the OSBot dev team would be compensated for these scripts as they are benefitting from their positions of authority and not because they spent 1000s of hours promoting their scripts like the other successfull scripters.

Its ok though because I didnt expect you to.

[Hi G00gle]

46 minutes ago, k9thebeast said:

My issue centers around

• Who proffits off these scripts, the initial release will get the most buyers, do you get the money?  > The money goes towards OSBot itself, it has been mentioned.
• How is this fair to future maintainers of your script? > As Alek said, OSBot will only be releasing basic scripts. EG: Mining, woodcutting, etc. Complicated scripts like Zulrah won't be released.
• Wont future maintainers continue to add features to increase sales since they didnt get the initial release payday? > That is where the market will become better. To get more sales, they will have to improve, so it's a win-win situation.
• Who decides what scripts are released? Same point as above > Clearly OSBot, as mentioned above; They will be releasing basic scripts, but a nice suggestion would be to vote for a script to be released by OSBot.

 

Where red are the answers ofcourse.

Edited April 22, 2017 by Hi G00gle