Theodore Bagwell

That would be a solution, but if they fully want to switch over they should come with something else i think. The difference is Microsoft can indeed support two different versions so they don't have to force their costumers to buy their newest product, they offer it instead. In this way they don't have to force people to spend hundreds of dollars to buy a new operating system they actually didn't ask for. Osbot in this case isn't capable of doing this, and in my opinion they should come with another solution (refunds or anything else), instead of letting us pay the bill.

I still got a laptop running fine on windows XP. They indeed don't provide any more updates, but it still works and microsoft gives an option to buy a new operating system, they don't force you. So everything i said was false? No way.

I'm sorry dude but this argument is just bullshit. In that case it's my own fault to break a plate and i will buy a new one because it was my own fault and i NEED a new one. In the case of osbot we don't need a new one and we are getting forced to pay, even if the plate wasn't broken at all (the client worked fine for US). Anyway, i'm gonna quit this discussion, it's leading to nowhere and i feel like we won't agree anyway. Of course scriptwriters like this decision as they will get lots of more money than before. I think i have made my point and i don't care if u agree with it or not. But trust me, osbot will lose costumers with this when all people find out their scripts have been removed. I wish the community good luck at june the 16th, i am sure a lot of people will be against this release.

So if you earned enough money you woud provide us a free copy of an osbot 2 script, if not you will let the developers make us rebuy everything? Such egoism.Maybe it would be an idea to stop thinking only about yourself. Its not about the money gained or any strategy, its about taking away a product (which worked absolutely fine) from your customers, which is ridiculous.

I do understand that an osbot 1 script and an osbot 2 script aren't the same and osbot 2 has a different API and shit.You want to compare it with Microsoft? Im fine. Microsoft has developed Windows 8 when Windows XP was actually running fine by most of the people. Does Microsoft force you yo use Windows 8 instead of Windows XP? Does Microsoft force people not to use Windows XP anymore and make them pay $120? Absolutely not. Some people were happy with the old operating system and so Microsoft didnt force them to switch over and let them pay. Now does osbot come with a new client and force the costumers to switch over from client, even if the old client was allright for costumers? Yes the do. It doesnt matter if there is a lifetime payment label on it, but when people pay for something like Windows XP without that label, they can assume Microsoft wont take it away. Not because microsoft doesnt have the right to do that, but microsoft cares about their costumers and wont take anything away which they already bought. Imagine your windows 8 will be deleted of your computer, and you will be forced to buy windows 9 for $120, then woud you be happy with a 30-day trial? Im sure 99% won't .

I wish everyone would think like that. People should keep their life-time payment and continue enjoying their scripts on osbot 2.

Please read the whole conversation instead of saying things which aren't true The only thing i find annoying is that you, as script writer (and other sw), don't take a look from both sides. Arguments like "the market is dead and it will be up after osbot 2 is happening" and "API is much better" are actually none of our (costumer's) business as we don't benefit from it. Anyway, again i'm not trying to blame you for what's happening, but i would really like a developer to reply

We do, and in the view of a scriptwriter i really understand that osbot 2 is much better than osbot 1 and the market will be fresh etc etc. But maybe you should look it from the other side aswell. We don't develop any scripts, we don't see any changes in the market as we don't sell them and so the osbot 2 client has some nice features for us aswell. It is for me as costumer not worth it to spend $120 to buy all the scripts i had just for a client which has some new cool features. So yeah, for script writers it really NEEDS to happen, for us it's just another client with some extra features. So we shouldn't argue as osbot 2 is going to happen anyway? Now that's a valid argument! We lose some money, i actually lose $120 to be sure, and i would rather pay 6 hours work than paying $120 for a new client. I think it's important for you, and for other scriptwriters aswell, to look take a look at it from both sides: Scriptwriters --> Lose time --> huge benifits --> Monthly payments, fresh scripts to sell, better API to make scripts with Costumers --> Lose lots of money (the one more than another) --> some benifits (extra features) --> Old client + market was fine and a new client wasn't actually neccesary

That's right, osbot 1 scripts won't be useful anymore when they fully switch over to osbot 2...

I do agree with what you are saying, but now there isn't anything like a refund, only a 30-day trial which seems kinda unusable to me as there is a great chance the client/scripts will be buggy the first month(s). A %50 refund for any script which was bought 60 days ago would be nice, or something like that.

Kinda misleading isn't it? Making it called lifetime, but actually it's temporary which can be 1 month untill 1 year... They indeed have the right to remove our scripts, but i find it rather unfair that WE should pay the bill of the fact that developers/scripters made a mistake in the past to make a lot of script one-time-fee. As you said earlier, developers/scripters have to learn from their mistakes, so then please explain me why we have to pay for your mistakes? Read what i said before, i'm not blaming the scripters on this, but in my opinion osbot should come with a solution to pay you guys to convert the scripts OR refund our lifetime scripts.

You know what? I actually don't even care about making profit with real life cash or value etc. It's about the fact we got promised to spend $25 on a lifetime script, which means it won't be taken down any time. Depreciate all one-time fees? At the end YOU as DEVELOPERS decided to make a script one-time-fee. You guys knew you won't be monthly paid in the first place. You are feeling powerful, don't you? "Make us happy again or stop botting", are you serious? We paid for what us was promised. Developers made the choise to make their scripts one-time-fee, now they see the market actually crashed. This doesn't mean you can just remove all subscribtions which has been made by the costumers who pay YOU. Now because the developers made this mistake WE have to give up all the scripts we bought and lose $120 because of that? Ofcourse you are happy against the decision which has been made. You can actually make excactly the same script but on a different API and make shitloads of money with it.

What about spending this money on leveling on your main? Again, not everyone is here to get irl money. It wasn't working fine for you? Then why do WE have to suffer the fact that we lose all our lifetime scripts, as everything was fine for us?

Yes it was announced like half a year ago, but they didn't aware us of the fact that osbot 1 scripts will be worth nothing after the release of osbot 2. Beside that i thought they would provide us a WORKING osbot 1 script emulator to use our LIFETIME scripts on osbot 2. The source will still exist, but why should script writers update their scripts on osbot 1 if osbot 2 is out? Yeah, all scripts will still be available, but after a while i'm sure they will all be outdated. Not everyone is here to set up a goldfarm so i have no idea why you assume everyone is making $150/month. I invested $120 in scripts, but i didn't make much profit at all (bought sponsor with the profit i gained to support this community). So yeah, i'm actually part of the 1% who didn't make back their investment, who loses his money with this release. Funny thing there are only script writers at this thread who ofcourse support this GREAT idea as they are getting a nice profit after this release. Good job. I really don't understand why osbot doesn't give us a lifetime script for osbot 2. In the end it wasn't our decision to release a new bot, as everything worked fine for me back in the days. On top of that, script writers had their own decision to release a lifetime script or make it a monthly fee, every script writer could have known they wouldn't get a monthly payment of every costumer.

What about deleting all of my purchased scripts with a total worth of $120, you can do that to us?I purchased those scripts for a lifetime as promised, not untill osbot 2 comes out and rebuy it. Such a waste of money, im sure if you guys announced this earlier people didnt even want osbot 2 to come out. As runescape99 says: If you don't re-write it you will not earn any revenue from potential new customers who, from what I heard, have to pay monthly for every script now. Script writers do, in this way, take advantage on rewriting their scripts. If script writers really want to be paid then osbot should pay the bills, im not going to spend any more money on rebuying things i already got and which works perfectly on a stable osbot 1 client. Trust me, once everything comes true people will start asking why their scripts got deleted and this community will lose costumers

Well said, so do i

Ah i see, thought it was sarcasm Btw your signature is way too big, it's making me dizzy..

I feel your pain

Don't get me wrong, but i don't blame the scripters on this. Beside that I actually think the scripters do take advantage of the fact that all further payments will be monthly in osbot 2. In this way you will get paid for your monthly hard work. The part i just don't understand (from the costumers point of view) is that all one time payment scripts are being thrown away. I got 15 one-time-fee scripts which i all use in a month. So with an average of like $8 per scripts, my worth of $120 on script will be thrown away this month. Again i don't blame the scripters on this, but i think osbot should get us a working osbot 1 script emulator, or come with another solution. In my point of view you can't force anyone to repay a one-time-fee script, and you can't force anyone to rewrite an entire script without any great benifits. In my opinion osbot should pay the price. I was really looking forward to osbot 2, but now actually the "Great Transistion Forward" results into quite a big loss for me.

I do understand you guys got a lot of work on rewriting your scripts, but i dont understand why those old scripts will be thrown away and WE will be forced to pay again for a script which was for lifetime in the first place. Doesnt that sound rediculous to you?

Wtf, so you are saying that all scripts i bought for a total wealth of $70-$80 will become unusable? You got to be kidding me, that's like a great rip-off

I'm not a developer, but isn't it possible to have an osbot 1 script emulator inside the osbot 2 client? I thought they were developing this, as there is one now (with bugs) That would be an option, but it just doesn't sound fair to me to make all costumers pay a montly fee for scripts they already bought (which were promised as one time fee). I know people have the choise to use osbot 2 or not, but if they want to completely switch over to osbot 2, they should delete the osbot 1 client in my opinion. I'm sure a lot of people (me included) will still stuck at the osbot 1 client just to run their one-time-fee scripts..

Don't get me wrong, but why not just getting a working osbot 1 script emulator, delete the osbot 1 client, and make the rest of the coming payments a monthly fee? Not that i really follow this discussion with personal attacks etc etc (don't want to waste my time), but in my point of view it would solve problems like: 1. People don't have to rebuy the one-time-fee scripts. I'm sorry, but unfortunately i stuck at osbot 1 as i am not going to spend like $70 again to be using my script which i already bought. 2. Script writers will be forced to transfer their scripts. If they won't it's their own choise, but the rest of their payments will contain a montly fee they will even earn money with 3. Costumers will actually be happy for osbot 2 coming out, as they can use the awesome new client with their already paid scripts.

So this means all osbot 1 lifetime scripts will be transfered into osbot 2 script when the script writer converts it?

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