Mistamo Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 To start off, I hate that I have to post this thread against this guy. He's helped me so much with the account so far, seeing that he's the original owner. The fact that he hasn't replied to any of my messages when I know he's online, has forced my hand. I purchased a maxed main via PlayerAuctions from a user here at OSbot, Impassive. Impassive had purchased the account previously on OSbot from ExtraEnigma. I had the account for a month or so before Impassive tried to scam it back, in which I lost access to the account. I made a dispute thread here, and with the help of the mods and extraenigma, I was able to regain control of the account and I was on my way. I was hoping there wouldn't be anymore trouble regarding the account, since extraenigma seemed trustworthy since he's helped me out a lot. Around November 30th, I tried to log in to my account and it said invalid user/password. Immediately I thought maybe Impassive or someone was messing with my account, so I tried contacting extraenigma via Skype As you can see, I message him periodically for about a month. The reason I haven't made this thread sooner is simply because I haven't seen him online. I thought maybe he was out on vacation or spending time with family for Thanksgiving/Christmas. So, I let it pass. Now that it's January and I saw him online on OSbot yesterday at 4:00 PM and he still hasn't replied, it's kind of sketchy. I tried recovering the account myself, just to see if I could. Take into mind, extraenigma declined to give me any information for the account at all. He told me if I ever had a problem, that he would recover the account for me. Said he didn't want me to have his personal information, which I can understand. I managed to get the account locked, saying it was hacked and that the email was changed. After receiving that email, I decided to try and fill out the password reset form, hoping that what I had would be enough to recover the account for me. A few days later, my friend sends me a gyazo (screenshot) over steam, asking if I had gotten my account back or not. The gyazo showed that my account was logged in. I currently do not have that screenshot since steam erases all messages after closing the chat. I also get a reply from Jagex regarding my password reset. So, from what I have gathered and seeing that extraenigma hasn't replied to any of my messages, everything points to him. Which is unfortunate because I genuinely that he was a good guy. Here's a screenshot that shows him online yesterday at 4:54 PM I've also sent him OSbot messages in which he hasn't read. No idea why he didn't read them while he was signed on yesterday. If you need anything else, please let me know. I had built a decent bank on the account and it's been gone for over a month. I'd like to get this resolved so we can go on our ways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Thank you for this very detailed report. Pictures that contain information about your runescape account got hidden from public for your own safety. (Mods can see it though) I have contaced @extraenigma & @Impassive to take a stand on this dispute. They have 24hours to do so. I have also placed the users in the trade with caution user group to prevent further scamming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistamo Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Thank you for this very detailed report. Pictures that contain information about your runescape account got hidden from public for your own safety. (Mods can see it though) I have contaced @extraenigma & @Impassive to take a stand on this dispute. They have 24hours to do so. I have also placed the users in the trade with caution user group to prevent further scamming. Thank you for covering the username. I was going to while taking the screenshots and totally forgot. I appreciate it very much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extraenigma Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 saw your post friday night and and tryed to recover they messaged me they locked the account and i could then recover i sent recovery request yesterday morning and it was denied, i am not sure why i have recovered twice in the past with this info. Ive scince seen the account online but have not got it to respond to pm or seen where it is. i had never had an issue with account sercurity when i had this account, when i sold it to impassive there was never an issue scince you the third owner has had it its been lost three times. i managed to recover it last time before your bank pin was up, and the time before as quick as i could. i no longer play runescape so i havent been on osbot or skype almost at all. if i am to be held responsible for this account ill probably have to take a ban not sure what else i can do but someone seems to have enough of the recent details to recover the account, how there request went through and mine did not is a mystery to me, the account is over 6 y/o so im a little fuzzy on some of the older details but nothing that anyone else should have, there are recoveries but i did not set them. i sold this account for under 25m osrs gp, impassive sold it mistamo for $350.00 USD. and last i heard he had ~80M. i have no more runescape wealth other than a pure with 89 magic and 71range so no way of reinbursing even the amount i sold it for much less the value it holds now. here is my only piece of evidence but from what i think ive seen in disputes the original owner is held responsible indefinatly. sorry for your loss mistamoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistamo Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 So what happens now? Am I out of an account and $350.00? I don't understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 saw your post friday night and and tryed to recover they messaged me they locked the account and i could then recover i sent recovery request yesterday morning and it was denied, i am not sure why i have recovered twice in the past with this info. Ive scince seen the account online but have not got it to respond to pm or seen where it is. i had never had an issue with account sercurity when i had this account, when i sold it to impassive there was never an issue scince you the third owner has had it its been lost three times. i managed to recover it last time before your bank pin was up, and the time before as quick as i could. i no longer play runescape so i havent been on osbot or skype almost at all. if i am to be held responsible for this account ill probably have to take a ban not sure what else i can do but someone seems to have enough of the recent details to recover the account, how there request went through and mine did not is a mystery to me, the account is over 6 y/o so im a little fuzzy on some of the older details but nothing that anyone else should have, there are recoveries but i did not set them. i sold this account for under 25m osrs gp, impassive sold it mistamo for $350.00 USD. and last i heard he had ~80M. i have no more runescape wealth other than a pure with 89 magic and 71range so no way of reinbursing even the amount i sold it for much less the value it holds now. here is my only piece of evidence but from what i think ive seen in disputes the original owner is held responsible indefinatly. sorry for your loss mistamoo You say that you have not been online on osbot or skype because you don't play runescape anymore? Your profile on osbot says something else. Don't lie. Also to quote @Mistamo "I tried recovering the account myself, just to see if I could. Take into mind, extraenigma declined to give me any information for the account at all." So chances are high that @Impassive has no information about the account either. Tell me, how shall someone recover the account if he does not have the needed information of the original owner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extraenigma Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) You say that you have not been online on osbot or skype because you don't play runescape anymore? Your profile on osbot says something else. Don't lie. Also to quote @Mistamo "I tried recovering the account myself, just to see if I could. Take into mind, extraenigma declined to give me any information for the account at all." So chances are high that @Impassive has no information about the account either. Tell me, how shall someone recover the account if he does not have the needed information of the original owner? the first time i saw a message from mistamo was this friday, i am pretty sure i have not been on osbot between the time hes sent it and friday, atleast i havent noticed the notification "1" till then. i dont play runescape any more that is fact. the only account i still own is a pure with 89mage 71range, w/~12k iron knives that is non member and i do not play. impassive should not have the nessisary details to recover it, the only info he had was a previos pass + the passwords and transaction id's and jag he set as the accounts 2nd owner, the recoveries look foriegn to me so he may have set those or i may have when i was much younger and forgot i cant say for sure. I can not speculate on to how the account is being recovered. i sold it June, 9th to impassive with no registered email and it had no problems in the time i owned it and none in the time impassive owned it, He resold the account some time before july 6th to mistamo then by the 14th of july it had been locked because some one had tryed to recover it, after sending both members to an osbot dispute to get exact instuctions on how to handle this i recovered the account and returned it to impassive who later returned it to mistamo. Around november 11th the account was stolen from mistamo again and i recovered and returned to him. now november 29th the account was stolen a third time from mistamo and after i went through the nessiary steps to lock the account they were able to unlock it and i was not. i tryed recovering again and have not recieved any notice theyve relocked the account. the only thing my recovery attempts do not have are transaction ids, the exact creation date and answers to the recoveries. like i mentioned before i realise that the original owner is usually held indeffinatly responisble for the account and pretty much assume its a matter of time before the hammer drops. Edited January 12, 2015 by extraenigma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I went ahead and banned @Impassive as he failed to response within the given time frame. After going multiple times close through all details of the provided informations, is @extraenigma responsible as he is the original owner and the only one able to recover the account. You can either help to recover the account or refund @Mistamo with an amount and payment method you both agree on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extraenigma Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 i put in another attempt to recover and have not heard back. i am a bit confused by the situation tho i am asked to refund but impassive is banned? the only reason impassive should be banned is if it is him that has the account. if he has the account he should be responsible for the refund shouldnt he? if it is not believed he has the account why is he banned? i only sold the account to impassive. he then went offsite and sold to mistamo. how many hand can it pass through and still hold the original owner responsible? even if i am able to recover again its been stolen some how twice in november and three times over all. there has to be a limit to my resposiblitly. like i said i dont play rs anymore and rarely visit these forums so if i am unable to recover the account i will take my ban. id sugguest mistamo seeks a p/a refund as it looks more and more to me like impassive is responsible. i understand how this looks but if i intended on stealing this account ive had serval oppertunities to do so. last time i recovered for him before he lost his bank pin, and returned it too him. when he had told me he had 80m in bank. i will let you know when i get an email on the recovery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 i put in another attempt to recover and have not heard back. i am a bit confused by the situation tho i am asked to refund but impassive is banned? the only reason impassive should be banned is if it is him that has the account. if he has the account he should be responsible for the refund shouldnt he? if it is not believed he has the account why is he banned? i only sold the account to impassive. he then went offsite and sold to mistamo. how many hand can it pass through and still hold the original owner responsible? even if i am able to recover again its been stolen some how twice in november and three times over all. there has to be a limit to my resposiblitly. like i said i dont play rs anymore and rarely visit these forums so if i am unable to recover the account i will take my ban. id sugguest mistamo seeks a p/a refund as it looks more and more to me like impassive is responsible. i understand how this looks but if i intended on stealing this account ive had serval oppertunities to do so. last time i recovered for him before he lost his bank pin, and returned it too him. when he had told me he had 80m in bank. i will let you know when i get an email on the recovery Let me quote a previous post from you: "impassive should not have the nessisary details to recover it" @Impassive is banned as he failed to response within the given time frame. He can apply if he wishes to return. We are now waiting for the response from jagex. If it gets denied you have to refund the user! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extraenigma Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 recovery failed requesting ban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoahTheWeebWolf Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 recovery failed requesting ban As you wish... @extraenigma has been banned for being unable to recover the account. @Mistamo we of the OSbot team are very sorry for your losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
