I think that it's okay because the organism inside the females body isn't techincally a human, It's still a pile of cells .

What if a woman is raped? What if she gets pregnant because she was raped? What if she doesn't want that baby because she was raped? What if this woman was only 15? What if she couldn't handle it? Abortion is right in my mind depending on the reason for having the baby. 

This:

 

 

I think abortion is stupid and if you didn't want a baby in the first place, wear a condom or just don't have sex.

 

 

 

This:

 

 

I think abortion is stupid and if you didn't want a baby in the first place, wear a condom or just don't have sex.

 

 

 

Think back to this when someone you know/love is raped

It's just a clump of multiplying cells until a certain stage of pregnancy, so up to a certain point abortion is just like shedding skin, it's not self-aware. Unless you have religious beliefs which tell you otherwise, I don't see any reason why you wouldn't allow abortion for woman who are not fit to raise their children.

If you argue about "potential life" and things, every egg in a woman has the potential to become a fully grown human, but we don't demand that every egg in a woman become fertilized, so as to not kill off hundreds of little potential babies...

 

After writing that, I decided to read a few more of the comments, and in general it seems that most anti-abortion arguments is that life is being taken away, that children are being "murdered".

 

So it seems the real problem is defining when a clump of cells becomes a person (yeah, it took a while to reach the point...). So generally, I think most religions believe that life starts at conception, because that's when the soul enters the body. I can't really argue against a belief system, so we'll just have to leave that as an option. (I don't mean for that to sound offensive, it's just that arguments of belief have to be separated from arguments of science)

 

Now humans are basically just a brain, with a bunch of organs and appendages to support that brain, with the overall goal of keeping that brain alive. A simple proof: You can replace every part of a person except for their brain, and they will still be the same person, of the same concious thought, but if you take away a body's brain, and replace it with another one, it is a different person, because all of their thoughts are different (theoretical of course, although people have managed to do this with monkeys). 

 

So we should be able to deduce that a baby is not a person until it at least starts to develop a brain, which is around week 5 of pregnancy (taken from U.S national library of medicine), aka, the gestational age. 

 

So now we have at least a minimum deadline, 5 weeks, but of course, we could take this much further. First we would have to get all philosophical and define a person further. You have to define some level of brain function which is acceptable, or worth living. 

 

Now this part I can't really argue without using my own opinions, so as far as scientific arguments go, abortions before the gestation period are fine, because it's not much more than an egg with sperm in it, which I don't consider to be a human.

 

Now for the opinion arguments, I think that if you don't have enough brain activity to be self aware, which is simply knowing you exist, then you can't know that you are dead/dying, so it's not really different than killing any non-sentient living thing, like a tree. I'm not sure when this point of development begins (never really that interested in biology), but I believe it is not until late in the 2nd or maybe even the 3rd trimester (don't quote me on that, I'm really not sure).

 

Now for the "that could have become a person" argument. Every baby that you don't have is a baby that could have been born. By this logic you are committing murder whenever you are not creating a baby, because at this very moment you could be creating a baby, and that baby that you just didn't have will never live, and that egg you never fertilized will get flushed down the toilet.

 

TL;DR: Good, because if you did, you just murdered 10 babies

What if a woman is raped? What if she gets pregnant because she was raped? What if she doesn't want that baby because she was raped? What if this woman was only 15? What if she couldn't handle it? Abortion is right in my mind depending on the reason for having the baby. 

 

This is obviously an exception, everything has one, your argument is old and invalid.

When does it begin to be okay to kill the baby? Is it when it is 6 months old? No

 

3 Months? No way.

 

1 Month? No

 

1 day? No

 

1 hour? No

 

1 second? No

 

Why is it okay if you can't see it? Once the cells have formed the baby, I believe it's too late. It's a human at that point and is living off it's mother. It's the beginning stages of life and we all had to go through it. Basically supporting abortion is supporting that you have no soul. Because if you did have a soul, then killing the baby would be killing the soul as well.

 

What if a woman is raped? What if she gets pregnant because she was raped? What if she doesn't want that baby because she was raped? What if this woman was only 15? What if she couldn't handle it? Abortion is right in my mind depending on the reason for having the baby. 

 

This is obviously an exception, everything has one, your argument is old and invalid.

When does it begin to be okay to kill the baby? Is it when it is 6 months old? No

 

3 Months? No way.

 

1 Month? No

 

1 day? No

 

1 hour? No

 

1 second? No

 

Why is it okay if you can't see it? Once the cells have formed the baby, I believe it's too late. It's a human at that point and is living off it's mother. It's the beginning stages of life and we all had to go through it. Basically supporting abortion is supporting that you have no soul. Because if you did have a soul, then killing the baby would be killing the soul as well.

 

1 second? Yes

1 hour? Yes

1 day? Yes

1 Month? Yes

3 Months? Probably

 

I kill more cells when I jack off, so not really a huge deal. We were all sperm at one point, but I don't really count that as me, and I sure didn't cry for the millions of brothers/sisters I lost getting to that egg. I can only assume you are referring to a soul in a religious context, and the only way I could argue against that would be to argue against your faith. Which obviously can't be done because it's faith, and you can't argue for or against faith...so I guess I have no soul

 

What if a woman is raped? What if she gets pregnant because she was raped? What if she doesn't want that baby because she was raped? What if this woman was only 15? What if she couldn't handle it? Abortion is right in my mind depending on the reason for having the baby. 

 

This is obviously an exception, everything has one, your argument is old and invalid.

When does it begin to be okay to kill the baby? Is it when it is 6 months old? No

 

3 Months? No way.

 

1 Month? No

 

1 day? No

 

1 hour? No

 

1 second? No

 

Why is it okay if you can't see it? Once the cells have formed the baby, I believe it's too late. It's a human at that point and is living off it's mother. It's the beginning stages of life and we all had to go through it. Basically supporting abortion is supporting that you have no soul. Because if you did have a soul, then killing the baby would be killing the soul as well.

 

 

Your argument is just as old man.  Not cool just dismissing someone like that.

 

I support abortion 100%.  If that earns me a one way ticket to hell, cool.  I'd probably be going anyways :P

Edited July 28, 201312 yr by ihavecoolhats

you had the decision and knowledge that a baby would come from your actions

 

what if a women is raped?

Touchy subject so I won't go too in depth about it. But I support it nonetheless. 

 

you had the decision and knowledge that a baby would come from your actions

 

what if a women is raped?

 

 

That's an exception. We've been over this. Get an argument that is actually relevant.

 

 

What if a woman is raped? What if she gets pregnant because she was raped? What if she doesn't want that baby because she was raped? What if this woman was only 15? What if she couldn't handle it? Abortion is right in my mind depending on the reason for having the baby. 

 

This is obviously an exception, everything has one, your argument is old and invalid.

When does it begin to be okay to kill the baby? Is it when it is 6 months old? No

 

3 Months? No way.

 

1 Month? No

 

1 day? No

 

1 hour? No

 

1 second? No

 

Why is it okay if you can't see it? Once the cells have formed the baby, I believe it's too late. It's a human at that point and is living off it's mother. It's the beginning stages of life and we all had to go through it. Basically supporting abortion is supporting that you have no soul. Because if you did have a soul, then killing the baby would be killing the soul as well.

 

1 second? Yes

1 hour? Yes

1 day? Yes

1 Month? Yes

3 Months? Probably

 

I kill more cells when I jack off, so not really a huge deal. We were all sperm at one point, but I don't really count that as me, and I sure didn't cry for the millions of brothers/sisters I lost getting to that egg. I can only assume you are referring to a soul in a religious context, and the only way I could argue against that would be to argue against your faith. Which obviously can't be done because it's faith, and you can't argue for or against faith...so I guess I have no soul

 

 

You're fucking sick bro. The thing is formed. Its not cells anymore it's now a being. 3 months? How fucking insane are you? I have 2 week old cousin and he already responds and interacts with people. You saying it's okay to kill him is disgusting. I can't believe I'm around people as selfish as you. That just pisses me off.

 

When I was referring to soul, if a human has a soul, it should never be okay to take that human out of this world because they're more than a being. I'm not religious at all.

Other than with the exception of rape victims, I firmly stand against it. 

 

 

 

What if a woman is raped? What if she gets pregnant because she was raped? What if she doesn't want that baby because she was raped? What if this woman was only 15? What if she couldn't handle it? Abortion is right in my mind depending on the reason for having the baby. 

 

This is obviously an exception, everything has one, your argument is old and invalid.

When does it begin to be okay to kill the baby? Is it when it is 6 months old? No

 

3 Months? No way.

 

1 Month? No

 

1 day? No

 

1 hour? No

 

1 second? No

 

Why is it okay if you can't see it? Once the cells have formed the baby, I believe it's too late. It's a human at that point and is living off it's mother. It's the beginning stages of life and we all had to go through it. Basically supporting abortion is supporting that you have no soul. Because if you did have a soul, then killing the baby would be killing the soul as well.

 

 

1 second? Yes

1 hour? Yes

1 day? Yes

1 Month? Yes

3 Months? Probably

 

I kill more cells when I jack off, so not really a huge deal. We were all sperm at one point, but I don't really count that as me, and I sure didn't cry for the millions of brothers/sisters I lost getting to that egg. I can only assume you are referring to a soul in a religious context, and the only way I could argue against that would be to argue against your faith. Which obviously can't be done because it's faith, and you can't argue for or against faith...so I guess I have no soul

 

 

You're fucking sick bro. The thing is formed. Its not cells anymore it's now a being. 3 months? How fucking insane are you? I have 2 week old cousin and he already responds and interacts with people. You saying it's okay to kill him is disgusting. I can't believe I'm around people as selfish as you. That just pisses me off.

 

When I was referring to soul, if a human has a soul, it should never be okay to take that human out of this world because they're more than a being. I'm not religious at all.

 

 

What?... 3 months after conception, not 9+3. Who on Earth would ever imply that killing a baby fresh from the womb is okay? You're the sick one for even assuming it. 

 

Edited July 28, 201312 yr by mirai

Yes and No.

 

Dependant on Circumstances.

 

 

 

 

What if a woman is raped? What if she gets pregnant because she was raped? What if she doesn't want that baby because she was raped? What if this woman was only 15? What if she couldn't handle it? Abortion is right in my mind depending on the reason for having the baby. 

 

This is obviously an exception, everything has one, your argument is old and invalid.

When does it begin to be okay to kill the baby? Is it when it is 6 months old? No

 

3 Months? No way.

 

1 Month? No

 

1 day? No

 

1 hour? No

 

1 second? No

 

Why is it okay if you can't see it? Once the cells have formed the baby, I believe it's too late. It's a human at that point and is living off it's mother. It's the beginning stages of life and we all had to go through it. Basically supporting abortion is supporting that you have no soul. Because if you did have a soul, then killing the baby would be killing the soul as well.

 

 

1 second? Yes

1 hour? Yes

1 day? Yes

1 Month? Yes

3 Months? Probably

 

I kill more cells when I jack off, so not really a huge deal. We were all sperm at one point, but I don't really count that as me, and I sure didn't cry for the millions of brothers/sisters I lost getting to that egg. I can only assume you are referring to a soul in a religious context, and the only way I could argue against that would be to argue against your faith. Which obviously can't be done because it's faith, and you can't argue for or against faith...so I guess I have no soul

 

 

You're fucking sick bro. The thing is formed. Its not cells anymore it's now a being. 3 months? How fucking insane are you? I have 2 week old cousin and he already responds and interacts with people. You saying it's okay to kill him is disgusting. I can't believe I'm around people as selfish as you. That just pisses me off.

 

When I was referring to soul, if a human has a soul, it should never be okay to take that human out of this world because they're more than a being. I'm not religious at all.

 

 

What?... 3 months after conception, not 9+3. Who on Earth would ever imply that killing a baby fresh from the womb is okay? You're the sick one for even assuming it. 

 

 

Wat. I was talking about after being born.