Dispute on botos... Toxicity, Threats to use Bots, etc.

[OSRS Butlers]

Dear Mods and Staff,

 

First of all I would like to point out that at this point I am not aware if this is something that should be reported or not, however being very loyal to the community I feel that if Staff are unable to take any disciplinary Actions, people should know about what they are to get when dealing with this person.

 

Disputed member: [member=] @botos

Thread Link: N/A

Explanation:

@botos was posting on Forums saying that He requires and wishes to be of Service to people in order to obtain feedback and trust within the community. I, Having a New Service that is currently Booming gave this a thought and saw it as an opportunity to help the ones that are just starting (Like I was a few weeks ago) whilst letting them do what they are saying they'd want to do.

I got in contact with him and offered him a week's trail before actually being mentioned as a worker in OSRS BUTLERS Service Thread. He accepted and as we kind of went on to talk, he even agreed to put a 25M deposit against the Terms that 1. It is fully refundable on wanting to leave and 2. One Must Finish what he/she agreed to do before asking for the refund (Screenshots in the Evidence Section).

So I gave him a first order which was a test I invented for him to be able to see how he works and what he's capable of doing (At this point I was not going to let him access other people's account as I am not sure if Trails are to be listed down on the Service Thread before being allowed to Service Other People's Requests through my Service). 

The Job was 2 Tutorial Islands with Priest in Peril + Waterfall and 2 Priest in Peril on another two separate accounts.

He Took the job happily and I waited for feedback. After 5 Hours, He was still not able to finish the Job and the progress was MINIMAL. 

 

Now here's were the Toxic and Threats come into play.

He starts to mention that his house was flooding (By the way he describes it, it's like he was literally floating on water.... the same stuff that should be featured on bbc.co.uk)

Not knowing if this was true or not, I gave him the benefit of the doubt and ALWAYS advised him to attend to his IRL Situation first before continuing the accounts, however after 15 minutes he always came back and stated a sort of time frame of completion which was NEVER MET.

I ended up having to refuse him to finish the trial task, and gave him some honest feedback regarding what he was doing... and to my surprise he started to Flame and Burst into Rage.

I never showed any sign of anger, all I did was stay calm as I always do in any situation like this, and eventually he calmed down and apologised (also admitted to be toxic himself).

 

He was eager to have another attempt at the trial, so I gave him one of my alternate accounts in order to do Regicide on it. (Keep it in mind that if he were to be able to complete the trial service, I was always OFFERING HIM A PAYMENT in return.)

I also mentioned that due to his irl situation, he should see when it's a good time for him to start the second test to which he replied that he only needs 15 minutes and he'll be able to start.

I left him the Login details and pretty much kept emphasising that his irl situation needs attention, however he insisted that it's all under control and he will intend to "impress me on this one".

 

I headed off to bed and next thing to my surprise in the Morning, I find a message from his saying that he attended all his focus on closing a deal with someone to do him X Amount of Tutorial Island Accounts with Specific Quests. I asked him about the Trial Order (Regicide) and he burst into Rage.

Some of the words he used I quote where "fuck no your luckky im even doing this shit"  and "your a fucking bitch dude just stfu your a rude cunt".

At Another point, he also threatens to Bot  the account unless he gets paid his refund back (Please note he accepted the fact that any service accepted must be completed before receiving the Refund).

I quote "ima bot this account the fuck out in a sec and get it banned imeedately give me my money you ungrateful cunt"#

 

I managed to convince him to log out of the account, followed by me giving him the refund back immediately as part of the agreement.

He continues to continuously flame and offend me personally (however I take petty notice of this as I am much more mature than he thinks...)

 

That's pretty much the whole situation. What I'd like from osbot members is to watch out for such situations, be careful of who you do business with and be wise.

With regards to Staff, Thank you for constantly being on the watch to avoid us having to go through similar situations, unfortunately this turned out differently however I hope that if necessary, disciplinary action is taken, if not at least I put out a word to the community to watch out for the said user.

Evidence:

1. Proof of the Person's Discord that Matches his Osbot Account

http://prntscr.com/l1ze2e & http://prntscr.com/l1zece

 

2. Discord Chat Introduction (Me Saying hello, and a brief overview of what I was offering)

http://prntscr.com/l1zece , http://prntscr.com/l1zf5e , http://prntscr.com/l1zf9m , http://prntscr.com/l1zfgh , http://prntscr.com/l1zfmu

http://prntscr.com/l1zfwi 

 

3. The First Task

 , http://prntscr.com/l1zgmo , http://prntscr.com/l1zgu9 (In the Latter screenshot, he mentions that he has an irl issue that he needs to attend to and I clearly state that I'm fine with that)

 

4. Here He Kind of Agrees to Times of ETA 

http://prntscr.com/l1zhe4 , 45 Minutes Later... Still No Progress  , 1 Hour 30 Minutes Later (http://prntscr.com/l1zi03)

At this point kindly note that I remained professional and always tried to motivate him. As Explained in my Explanation section, his flooding issues started coming up so I decided to cancel the trial task.

 

5. The Irl Issue

http://prntscr.com/l1zis3 , http://prntscr.com/l1zixv , https://prnt.sc/l1zj42

6. Here's where the Rage Started, Basically all I did was give him honest feedback (he asked for it earlier as he believes would help him improve).

http://prntscr.com/l1zji5 , http://prntscr.com/l1zjsd , http://prntscr.com/l1zk3t 

 

7. The Second Chance

 , http://prntscr.com/l1zktj , http://prntscr.com/l1zkz8 

8. He Did not start the Quest for 5 Hours when previously he mentions he was ready in 15 minutes...Not only that but he also gives a new ETA Of 50 Minutes

http://prntscr.com/l1zliz , http://prntscr.com/l1zlvf (Latter Screenshot he mentions some deal he made with another User)

 

9. The Rage and Threats Kick in

http://prntscr.com/l1zmda , http://prntscr.com/l1zmox 

10. Threatening to bot on the Account when he previously agreed to NEVER DO SO. 

http://prntscr.com/l1zn4v , http://prntscr.com/l1znoo , http://prntscr.com/l1znua , http://prntscr.com/l1zo70 

 

11. Eventually I managed to get on the account (Changed Details) and Here's me confirming the Refund was complete.

http://prntscr.com/l1zopd , 

 

To close up, I have no idea on what he talks about when mentions "I try to make him kill himself"... From the Evidence itself, I never even used a single bad word, continuously advised him to attend to his IRL Situation first which he confirms was sorted and thus why he accepted the second trial. After he threatened to bot the account, I was no longer interested about his situation thus my main focus and talk was about getting hold of the account and refunding the person. 

 

 

 

 

[Solution]

While not directly a scam, this behavior is obviously unwanted in the community, especially in the service section. As such @botos has been moved to the TWC rank for 1 month, on the condition he straightens out his attitude. While I understand a flooding can obviously be a highly stressful circumstance, this is not the way to vent/deal with it. 
Considering the account back in possession, the service is cancelled and the refund provided I'd say this can be considered done with. 
Some screenshots have been removed for the public eye due to them containing sensitive info. If I missed something, please let me know.