snaes Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) You see? Now we're having an intellectual debate, this is far more interesting than the stuff you were posting earlier. While I understand your point in regards to lack of optimism as such traits were emitted by many if not all philosophers. As far as intelligence goes, no. It's not directly measurable but an interesting allegory(Which I HIGHLY encourage reading if you haven't) is the 'Allegory of the cave' by Plato. The point of this allegory was present and prove to the Sophists that true and pure knowledge exists. Plato divides knowledge in two different sections which are strongly linked to each other, meta-physics and epistemology. Meta-physics is the world around us, epistemology is the knowledge and recollection of the world around us. We're divided into two realms, realm of the senses(The world itself) and realm of the intellect(Forms) which brings me back to your point. Intelligence cannot be measured but still does exists, to be purely intellectual or not to be. I don't want to explain the whole divided line as it's so interesting just reading it yourself, in short words each realm is divided in two division, each of those divisions is then divided into another two. Watch the allegory of the cave and you'll understand it. Also you're wrong when saying happiness is a subjective emotion which is the whole point of "The republic" and the example Plato displays in that dialogue presents this very well. Basically put, feeling happy DOES NOT mean being happy. To be happy one must live a moral and good life by nature and not by convention. To give you a very basic example of a happy person is someone who would not steal from someone else EVEN IF they know they won't be caught or face any consequences. Here, watch this : This displays the realm of the sense and the realm of the intellect that I mentioned earlier You didn't need to link it, I know the concept. But if you think that you're 'enlightened', how can you prove that? How can you assure that you're not the prisoner and not the free one? You can not, nor you can measure intelligence, because as soon as you measure intelligence you have to measure it based on somebody and you can not prove, nor you have any rights to call somebody intelligent. Therefore you can not measure intelligence, if that even exists. Also you're wrong when saying happiness is a subjective emotion which is the whole point of "The republic" and the example Plato displays in that dialogue presents this very well. Basically put, feeling happy DOES NOT mean being happy. To be happy one must live a moral and good life by nature and not by convention. The happiness part had nothing to do with the Republic whatsoever. I was referring to your elaboration of "dialogue". And you said that "feeling happy does not mean being happy. To be happy one must live a moral and good life by nature and not by convention.". Which is completely contradictory. You've claimed that we have to live a "moral and good" life by "nature". Sorry to break this down, but nature is far from "moral and good". Your views on ethics, morals and the good, agathon, is based off the Christian liberal defeatism. Or as would Nietzsche said, you are a complete tool if you accept such moral. Edited April 15, 2014 by snaes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted April 15, 2014 Author Share Posted April 15, 2014 STOP THIS DEBATE OVER MA THREAD AND TAKE IT TO A PM!. lol >.< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snaes Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) STOP THIS DEBATE OVER MA THREAD AND TAKE IT TO A PM!. lol >.< No, might as well take a part of this to see how it works out on such a forum. It's a spam section anyway. Edited April 15, 2014 by snaes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiji Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 I didn't read the whole thread because I don't have time but I lost 52 accounts yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted April 15, 2014 Author Share Posted April 15, 2014 I didn't read the whole thread because I don't have time but I lost 52 accounts yesterday. 52 accounts. this is a joke right? lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etoke Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Damn..I felt this..It kind of hurt. :c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxabbyxx Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 I was banned for 1 day today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiji Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) 52 accounts. this is a joke right? lol. No. I've been botting RS07 since the first week, even before any main stream reflection bots were available. Edited April 15, 2014 by Kiji Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
