Getting closer to discovering the detection algorithm... (Part 2)

[z10n]

'doing a task for too long' This is significant, variate your tasks botted.

[asdttt]

9 hours ago, z10n said:

I belive the reason you got detected is the activity, real players, will randomly do new things, such as rotate the screen , examine items, have random AFKs, talk to people, open quest guides in-game, open world map, walk places and talk to people.

 

Whereas the bot is singularily focused on its one objective, in this case mining tin.

 

I personally don't believe that is a metric.

If Jagex is using heuristics/ML to monitor accounts, they're going to be using it on more constant variables. Mouse movement, button delay, task ticks, etc. Not what someone does during the task like talking to friends and such.

It's also not one big check. They have multiple different checks, all which can and will lead to a ban. Some faster then others.

 

It's important to tackle this whole botting thing with: How would I stop botting. Once you start fighting to detect your own bot, obvious flaws start to show.

Edited March 6, 2022 by asdttt

[myze]

Great work and great finds @asdttt, very fascinating, looking forward to more information for sure.

[myze]

Heres some data from myself doing some F2P fishing and various other things on my computer for a while

I didnt filter out when I was holding down the mouse and dragging something, but they would likely be in the upper extremes of well above 400 ms

Data in ms

88,82,102,157,76,103,100,90,82,93,66,120,104,113,104,73,74,122,64,470,165,94,71,76,78,69,62,67,92,80,94,137,190,224,78,84,87,80,99,54,66,92,84,68,86,90,348,94,94,70,80,70,82,95,90,52,71,79,78,87,72,73,68,62,78,82,103,92,105,84,86,93,70,175,90,3587,76,86,73,80,70,86,88,219,109,64,60,77,91,105,94,85,89,108,133,151,77,96,86,74,147,78,100,88,79,78,72,83,64,101,78,83,104,64,92,94,106,101,96,98,62,81,104,75,104,90,109,110,60,149,68,96,118,135,94,92,109,114,96,101,86,100,78,91,96,58,78,82,91,131,102,115,70,93,89,85,109,93,116,145,110,99,158,770,98,105,96,257,185,166,177,99,87,96,109,155,105,201,81,90,90,95,106,123,489,117,132,116,115,104,98,104,80,90,88,95,106,115,89,97,101,83,112,112,68,195,109,80,86,112,161,100,93,78,127,107,88,137,117,121,102,74,108,101,81,88,59,81,106,90,88,147,117,76,116,90,96,103,74,77,96,80,96,93,111,103,96,80,118,99,75,103,101,84,106,83,71,86,74,81,95,82,86,95,89,87,92,94,93,91,101,94,117,100,121,102,92,95,308,69,103,86,76,267,99,86,566,56,104,806,76,94,111,89,183,121,64,112,91,95,104,100,118,90,99,102,100,70,68,123,106,100,72,1708,95,123,72,324,1768,93,91,124,107,117,101,108,107,80,161,91,101,126,96,98,93,103,99,90,78,83,97,113,126,109,151,157,128,113,132,96,95,105,78,87,79,80,103,3702,76,2351,741,694,63,84,95,103,104,83,108,92,86,71,115,87,96,92,115,101,113,110,94,52,94,593,85,71,124,94,76,85,112,84,114,84,86,111,113,86,93,96,107,108,107,102,74,105,74,80,122,109,100,88,263,328,132,99,96,100,97,106,76,92,133,118,132,120,134,133,126,109,110,111,139,93,94,99,104,120,105,102,87,112,81,103,94,59,102,121,98,102,92,66,97,98,79,91,95,125,119,112,118,83,96,3737,86,131,99,107,89,88,69,88,104,94,101,850,105,95,126,109,72,96,567,100,119,80,107,713,75,126,808,106,96,82,117,86,74,91,99,98,1064,88,352,71,102,5044,112,121,105,98,1597,77,100,362,129,144,123,108,111,96,92,123,125,394,98,852,112,92,907,104,95,86,102,65,74,74,87,434,71,101,70,105,219,139,75,100,85,75,105,82,70,746,1218,548,60,93,485,616,1190,86,446,100,1155,78,80,56,86,1384,93,692,86,618,68,364,608,54,90,76,644,110,3212,74,109,74,79,84,68,136,90,72,64,127,140,111,94,118,85,134,118,653,410,3361,91,100,130,106,98,3698,112,98,79,78,81,87,77,64,106,90,118,110,78,106,86,106,76,92,88,94,94,114,94,90,114,93,88,96,124,133,146,222,148,110,118,122,96,82,80,106,102,151,109,118,122,226,220,128,112,117,127,138,84,142,102,98,101,78,122,874,340,358,1094,70,1690,95,114,100,84,1154,90,90,110,110,5964,109,500,94,3048,68,2586,88,108,80,74,84,104,86,140,147,110,96,62,150,122,5178,3753,104,117,84,100,96,94,90,100,74,196,71,84,108,78,86,124,550,602,74,846,1052,282,830,108,624,136,86,394,82,86,395,110,88,104,114,92,310,116,76,94,72,236,152,80,112,94,87,100,98,98,96,98,92,88,106,84,80,86,90,104,88,90,86,80,252,104,106,110,96,90,292,120,86,78,84,260,82,100,144,98,256,92,86,92,190,90,98,78,128,72,76,384,114,74,100,98,98,104,78,78,224,126,114,102,116,122,88,82,55,500,116,110,92,518,82,234,146,330,208,355,114,90,99,110,94,398,144,138,90,134,64,114,104,146,132,144,148,94,604,62,84,172,90,134,96,110,102,112,132,140,108,98,86,312,92,80,402,66,82,80,76,90,356,92,92,110,90,114,118,90,88,78,98,84,104,88,110,122,108,112,1788,94,130,108,88,120,98,206,76,82,214,108,88,86,106,320,88,68,90,208,96,102,110,106,106,122,202,220,298,210,128,224,192,218,204,114,106,188,194,226,62,86,86,58,184,112,88,126,86,96,132,158,90,86,82,64,86,318,100,78,196,28,76,88,80,154,88,102,444,126,86,110,64,74,92,88,112,88,86,76,678,88,84,76,102,3015,108,82,66,76,74,94,84,88,96,74,92,74,86,1992,92,96,2076,88,104,98,128,84,66,98,86,110,120,118,102,106,110,120,104,126,64,76,98,74,102,90,64,84,62,70,68,116,96,74,80,690,100,70,98,96,58,66,86,56,112,124,62,90,80,104,64,106,496,92,88,98,88,118,94,96,60,98,78,84,96,106,102,100,96,102,78,92,76,72,110,92,86,114,96,100,126,78,98,80,218,160,136,180,264,116,96,192,90,214,112,142,76,122,114,114,132,224,340,98,104,110,138,50

 

Graph for reference

[z10n]

Bump keep us updated

[InfinityExists]

On 3/5/2022 at 12:26 PM, z10n said:

'doing a task for too long' This is significant, variate your tasks botted.

This is exactly what i was going to say. The only time i've been banned was due to doing the same task for weeks straight.

[BigCahunaBurger]

On 3/12/2022 at 11:16 AM, myze said:

Heres some data from myself doing some F2P fishing and various other things on my computer for a while

I didnt filter out when I was holding down the mouse and dragging something, but they would likely be in the upper extremes of well above 400 ms

Data in ms

88,82,102,157,76,103,100,90,82,93,66,120,104,113,104,73,74,122,64,470,165,94,71,76,78,69,62,67,92,80,94,137,190,224,78,84,87,80,99,54,66,92,84,68,86,90,348,94,94,70,80,70,82,95,90,52,71,79,78,87,72,73,68,62,78,82,103,92,105,84,86,93,70,175,90,3587,76,86,73,80,70,86,88,219,109,64,60,77,91,105,94,85,89,108,133,151,77,96,86,74,147,78,100,88,79,78,72,83,64,101,78,83,104,64,92,94,106,101,96,98,62,81,104,75,104,90,109,110,60,149,68,96,118,135,94,92,109,114,96,101,86,100,78,91,96,58,78,82,91,131,102,115,70,93,89,85,109,93,116,145,110,99,158,770,98,105,96,257,185,166,177,99,87,96,109,155,105,201,81,90,90,95,106,123,489,117,132,116,115,104,98,104,80,90,88,95,106,115,89,97,101,83,112,112,68,195,109,80,86,112,161,100,93,78,127,107,88,137,117,121,102,74,108,101,81,88,59,81,106,90,88,147,117,76,116,90,96,103,74,77,96,80,96,93,111,103,96,80,118,99,75,103,101,84,106,83,71,86,74,81,95,82,86,95,89,87,92,94,93,91,101,94,117,100,121,102,92,95,308,69,103,86,76,267,99,86,566,56,104,806,76,94,111,89,183,121,64,112,91,95,104,100,118,90,99,102,100,70,68,123,106,100,72,1708,95,123,72,324,1768,93,91,124,107,117,101,108,107,80,161,91,101,126,96,98,93,103,99,90,78,83,97,113,126,109,151,157,128,113,132,96,95,105,78,87,79,80,103,3702,76,2351,741,694,63,84,95,103,104,83,108,92,86,71,115,87,96,92,115,101,113,110,94,52,94,593,85,71,124,94,76,85,112,84,114,84,86,111,113,86,93,96,107,108,107,102,74,105,74,80,122,109,100,88,263,328,132,99,96,100,97,106,76,92,133,118,132,120,134,133,126,109,110,111,139,93,94,99,104,120,105,102,87,112,81,103,94,59,102,121,98,102,92,66,97,98,79,91,95,125,119,112,118,83,96,3737,86,131,99,107,89,88,69,88,104,94,101,850,105,95,126,109,72,96,567,100,119,80,107,713,75,126,808,106,96,82,117,86,74,91,99,98,1064,88,352,71,102,5044,112,121,105,98,1597,77,100,362,129,144,123,108,111,96,92,123,125,394,98,852,112,92,907,104,95,86,102,65,74,74,87,434,71,101,70,105,219,139,75,100,85,75,105,82,70,746,1218,548,60,93,485,616,1190,86,446,100,1155,78,80,56,86,1384,93,692,86,618,68,364,608,54,90,76,644,110,3212,74,109,74,79,84,68,136,90,72,64,127,140,111,94,118,85,134,118,653,410,3361,91,100,130,106,98,3698,112,98,79,78,81,87,77,64,106,90,118,110,78,106,86,106,76,92,88,94,94,114,94,90,114,93,88,96,124,133,146,222,148,110,118,122,96,82,80,106,102,151,109,118,122,226,220,128,112,117,127,138,84,142,102,98,101,78,122,874,340,358,1094,70,1690,95,114,100,84,1154,90,90,110,110,5964,109,500,94,3048,68,2586,88,108,80,74,84,104,86,140,147,110,96,62,150,122,5178,3753,104,117,84,100,96,94,90,100,74,196,71,84,108,78,86,124,550,602,74,846,1052,282,830,108,624,136,86,394,82,86,395,110,88,104,114,92,310,116,76,94,72,236,152,80,112,94,87,100,98,98,96,98,92,88,106,84,80,86,90,104,88,90,86,80,252,104,106,110,96,90,292,120,86,78,84,260,82,100,144,98,256,92,86,92,190,90,98,78,128,72,76,384,114,74,100,98,98,104,78,78,224,126,114,102,116,122,88,82,55,500,116,110,92,518,82,234,146,330,208,355,114,90,99,110,94,398,144,138,90,134,64,114,104,146,132,144,148,94,604,62,84,172,90,134,96,110,102,112,132,140,108,98,86,312,92,80,402,66,82,80,76,90,356,92,92,110,90,114,118,90,88,78,98,84,104,88,110,122,108,112,1788,94,130,108,88,120,98,206,76,82,214,108,88,86,106,320,88,68,90,208,96,102,110,106,106,122,202,220,298,210,128,224,192,218,204,114,106,188,194,226,62,86,86,58,184,112,88,126,86,96,132,158,90,86,82,64,86,318,100,78,196,28,76,88,80,154,88,102,444,126,86,110,64,74,92,88,112,88,86,76,678,88,84,76,102,3015,108,82,66,76,74,94,84,88,96,74,92,74,86,1992,92,96,2076,88,104,98,128,84,66,98,86,110,120,118,102,106,110,120,104,126,64,76,98,74,102,90,64,84,62,70,68,116,96,74,80,690,100,70,98,96,58,66,86,56,112,124,62,90,80,104,64,106,496,92,88,98,88,118,94,96,60,98,78,84,96,106,102,100,96,102,78,92,76,72,110,92,86,114,96,100,126,78,98,80,218,160,136,180,264,116,96,192,90,214,112,142,76,122,114,114,132,224,340,98,104,110,138,50

 

Graph for reference

On 2/25/2022 at 2:37 AM, asdttt said:

Plans going forward...

What I plan to do now, for anyone who cares, is to graph some of this data to visualize the data Jagex is being sent just to see how "random" looks. My next plan is to once more bot the living FUCK out of some rudimentary task, but this time with mouse delays based on my own timings. If I'm still banned, I'm just going to assume Jagex carelessly bans anyone who is doing a task for too long and this whole thing is a waste of time lmao

The reason I focused on the mouse click delay in this thread is because it's the easiest input to track. No matter what bot, script, or macro you use, they all have randomized clicking. This is also the easiest pattern as it's consistent throughout all botting tasks

 

 

This is a cool project. Visualizing data is really helpful. Do you think you could compile your findings using something like LaTeX? It would be cool and might ease drawing inferences. There's also a bunch of articles I haven't read yet but I am curious to read about "Emacs for Data Science". Interested to see what you come up with, and I appreciate you recommending changes to the existing OSBot code with your explanation. If there's anything I or others can do to gather data sets for you, let me know as I'd like to help as I can. Do you already know R? Seems overkill for this, but could be a fun opportunity to learn it (at least for me)

XD

Edited May 11, 2022 by BigCahunaBurger

[bigbran]

This seems like a topic that is to important to not have more people working on. To bad I don't know much about code and I just use OsBot.